Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
You assume that those people need to farm as much gil as humanly possible, like the gil farmers do. In reality that's completely false, as all they need to farm is what they need to get their monthly item. The influence on the market is negligible, and comparing them to "chinese workshop farmers" is an extremization that voids your argument of any validity.



Actually, having been a game writer for 15 years and having discussed this kind of topic a ton of times with developers, industry professionals and other writers alike, yeah, I have a very clear idea of what "pay to win" means.

According to your overly simplistic definition *every* MMORPG can be defined pay to win one way or another. Including FFXIV 1.0. Of course, that's not the case.

My definition is the definition widely accepted by the industry, and as such the only one that counts, unless you're in the business of calling things with the wrong name for shock value.

It is amusing, though, to see how many people still apply the concept inappropriately to games in which paying doesn't give any sizable advantage over those that don't pay.



You misinterpreted it (probably intentionally).

People whose buying power increases - Those that sell PLEX/Chronoscrolls, because they have more gold.
People whose buying power decreases - Those that buy PLEX/Chronoscrolls, because they have less gold.
Everyone else is unaffected, because, inflation-wise the other two categories cancel each other out.

Again. You're making up theories that conflict with economical theory, and that have already been proven wrong by reality in two distinct games.
I've been Jesus since the begining, de facto my word is law. -_-

I don't care about your background - it means nothing to your actual logic only to the probability of such.

And your definition of pay to win is not the industry standard. The definition entails the ability to take competitive advantage by using real money.

As you are attempting to do to me, I can do the same.

You misunderstand everything, you dont know economy, its proven fact you are wrong.

There we are at crossroads.

I will always be against a system that involves ANY method of taking competitive advantage through use of real money - regardless of how you want to "define" it.