SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[Nuinn]

Except you forgot a VERY important part in your equation, and that is, for every dollar you spent and covert into GIL, is gil that you will spend for your item purchases and in fact benefits many other players because they can convert their play time into gil-profit to also better themselves.

This by nature also sets a more true balance supply and demand cycle for the market, as people now can set a cost range for in game items against real money. IE: Back when I was playing EVE, PLEX was pigged at 300m, so players were calculating on the bases of 20m = $1.

So no, it doesn't just benefit you as you have envisioned it. It benefits all parties.

Someone just brought up that RMTs can corner the market by buying all the PLEX and resell at higher prices. Besides the fact that it takes thousands of dollars and really illogical for them, don't forgot the given condition here is that ANYONE can buy PLEX with real cash and place a sell order on the market to fuel the supply. So when the in game price goes up, more players will go buy PLEX and add it back into the market. So if anything, RMT really wants to avoid cornering the market this way, as they want your money, not spend their money.

jc

I agree, but it still basically means that I, still, am at an advantage of getting more gil, in a shorter amount of time. . . .
. . . .buying the "new" items off the market as soon as they appear
. . . .can deliver quest supplies faster by not having to grind them etc.

provided I have more real money that I can spend.

And as I mentioned in another post, RMT won't just cease to exist, they could well offer the double or triple amount of gil for the average price of a game time item, which is to say that people who were willing and still are willing to take that risky route could get more gil illegally that by reselling the, legal, game time item. I would love to think that RMT will vanish completely, and that I'll no longer see trains of Lalafell in Cedarwood or fishbots near Camp Bald Knoll, but I'd be a fool to believe it.

Not saying that it wouldn't suck for the people that can't afford subscriptions, taking in account that I myself might, at some point, not be able to pay for them.

I just want someone, anyone, to tell me, how it's not an advantage for anyone, legal way or not, to be able to get gil by selling an item, he bought for real money, in under 30min if they /shout with a good price.

[Abriael]

I agree, but it still basically means that I, still, am at an advantage of getting more gil, in a shorter amount of time. . . .

You don't get it in a shorter amount of time. This kind of market normally balances out (as prices are decided by demand and offer) so that the price that the month of gameplay is equivalent to its time/value in real life.

IE: If it takes an average worker one hour and a half to earn the price of a monthly fee in real life, the item will settle in gil price around what an average player can farm in a hour and a half give or take a few percentage points and taxes.

[Nuinn]

You don't get it in a shorter amount of time. This kind of market normally balances out (as prices are decided by demand and offer) so that the price that the month of gameplay is equivalent to its time/value in real life.

IE: If it takes an average worker one hour and a half to earn the price of a monthly fee in real life, the item will settle in gil price around what an average player can farm in a hour and a half give or take a few percentage points and taxes.

The fact that the month of gameplay is equivalent to its tive/value in real life still doesn't negate the fact that, I can get gil by going to real life work, and not actually playing the game.

Easier? Are you telling me that earning gil in the game is harder than earning money in real life?

Boy, that's new.

Nope, that's just how you chose to read it

[Abriael]

The fact that the month of gameplay is equivalent to its tive/value in real life still doesn't negate the fact that, I can get gil by going to real life work, and not actually playing the game.

I'm not sure how "Playing the game" has any implication of merit.

Nope, that's just how you chose to read it

Then you have a chance to explain, because your statement definitely looks like that.

Most honest response I've seen here yet. People have stated that it's too soon to know if we need this. I agree. 2.0 isn't even out yet. However, this is just a discussion on the idea. Yet most of the responses are fear of the letters RMT. There is still that guy who is ok with what little RMT we did have in 1.0 because we're used to it. It made me smile

Me too, a bit bitterly though.

[Nuinn]

I'm not sure how "Playing the game" has any implication of merit.

It doesn't? Hmmm. . . . I'm sorry, I guess I was wrong for thinking that I should be playing a game in order to earn game currency which will allow me not to grind crafting materials or other items.

Then you have a chance to explain, because your statement definitely looks like that.

I suppose I should have put "in the game" bold+italic+underlined somewhere in that statement, as to state the obvious, but oh well /shrug

[Abriael]

This suggestion was terrible the first time it got boo'd off these forums and it is just as terrible now.

42 likes and growing. Yeah, doesn't seem it'll be "boo'd off". Any time soon.

It doesn't? Hmmm. . . . I'm sorry, I guess I was wrong for thinking that I should be playing a game in order to earn game currency which will allow me not to grind crafting materials or other items.

You were. It's an artificial division. Time is time. I'm not sure why time spent having fun in a game should be considered more meritorious than time spent working.

I suppose I should have put "in the game" bold+italic+underlined somewhere in that statement, as to state the obvious, but oh well /shrug

That doesn't really change it.

[Nuinn]

You were. It's an artificial division. Time is time. I'm not sure why time spent having fun in a game should be considered more meritorious than time spent working.

This is a honest to god question, no shade. . . . Based to your latest reply to me, are you saying that having shorter play-time, but substituting it with longer/equal irl time working, should be one of this systems perks? (Since time flows at the same speed whether you're working or playing, as you've said). Honestly curious if I got it right :/

[strallaalaa]

they are opposing gil buying in general, people enjoy investing time into playing a mmo and don't like seeing someone else in same gears or position in a game cause he payed. but in general they can just buy it from rmt out of game, but making it even easier for everyone in game is worse. it becomes pay to win. it becomes SE selling tons of things even if just cosmetic threw this system like gw2. i'm not paying a monthly fee to deal with these types of things.