SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[Aenarion]

You sound a lot more like demanding this to be implemented ..nothing to do with the "please" in the thread title lol so..what if SE doesn't feel like it? stop already you are not gonna gain anything by getting aggressive with the big majority that opposes your idea

Reading comprehension fail/10

I also like how I'm apparently demanding for this to be implemented in game despite having said multiple times that I don't think this fits FF14 or that it'll ever be implemented by SE.

Are some of my posts aggressive? hell yes, because I was ripping apart posts that contained factually incorrect information, just like this post of yours.

[gahoo]

Interesting thread. 2 questions for those in favor:

1. Wouldn't this allow RMT to remove their own subscription costs, since they will clearly have gil to spend on these tokens? While I can see decreased demand for RMT gil as a function of this system, I am guessing RMT has decreased costs as well.

2. What's to stop RMT from cornering the market in these tokens? Can they not be resold? I'd think that RMT, with unlimited (hypothetically) gil, would almost be forced to buy all tokens and then resell them at the same rate they sell directly. Is that observed in other games?

[ShivenCasull]

Interesting thread. 2 questions for those in favor:

1. Wouldn't this allow RMT to remove their own subscription costs, since they will clearly have gil to spend on these tokens? While I can see decreased demand for RMT gil as a function of this system, I am guessing RMT has decreased costs as well.

2. What's to stop RMT from cornering the market in these tokens? Can they not be resold? I'd think that RMT, with unlimited (hypothetically) gil, would almost be forced to buy all tokens and then resell them at the same rate they sell directly. Is that observed in other games?

RMT's could effectively remove their own subscription costs, however in order to make money (dollars) they would still have to sell gil itself. In the case of buying crysta to trade for gil, you buy crysta from SE directly.

They could corner the market on the tokens, however the singular price of X amount of gil will always be limited by the price of 1 month subscription. (Based on the demand of crysta and current gil inflation)

[Applesnap]

I respect your right to your own opinions, as everyone is entitled to their own.

However, you're not entitled to your own fact, and I have every right to tear down the posts that are factually incorrect.

Just...stop...arguing everyone down. I'm done here. Not going to internet-argue with people who think they are constantly right.

[Warlock]

Reading comprehension fail/10

I also like how I'm apparently demanding for this to be implemented in game despite having said multiple times that I don't think this fits FF14 or that it'll ever be implemented by SE.

Are some of my posts aggressive? hell yes, because I was ripping apart posts that contained factually incorrect information, just like this post of yours.

ppl paying monthly fee with gil is as beneficial to SE as ppl paying tickets with community service is to government

[Nuinn]

Me:

• Have a gazillion of real life coins to spend

• Buy game time items

• Sell game time items to other players for gil

You:

• Don't have as much real life coins as me

• Are willing to grind some gil ingame

• Decide to buy game time item from me

Me:

• Now have more gil than I used to

• Decide to buy more game time items (since I still have a gazillion more real life coins to spare)

• Sell those game time items

• Now have even more gil

• Now can afford to pay 40k gil for an item I need (like a double-melded weapon for relic quest, or whatever else I desire from the wards/AH since I'm rich now ingame just as I'm rich in real life)

Other players 1:

• See the transaction history in wards/AH

• Decide they will put up their items for higher prices, since obviously someone can buy them

• Hope the rich person will buy their stuff so that they can afford a game time scroll or the high-priced items, of which the prices in gil they themselves raised that high

Other players 2:

• Don't have that much money in real life, but can pay for subscription

• Don'T have the time or the will to grind 40k for an overpriced item

• Checks wards/AH transaction history

• Says "Oh f*ck"

• Curses the playerbase for inflating the prices

• Curses SE for allowing it

Me:

• Can now buy whatever I want from wards/AH

• Do so whenever possible since I know that if I need gil, I can always sell more game time items as I'm still rich in real life

• Gil has no real value for me, I can buy whatever I want, for whatever the asking price

Other people:

• Can't. . . .

Some people:

• Still think it this has no impact on the ingame economy

Me:

• LOL!

[AhmeraMae]

1. Wouldn't this allow RMT to remove their own subscription costs, since they will clearly have gil to spend on these tokens? While I can see decreased demand for RMT gil as a function of this system, I am guessing RMT has decreased costs as well.

You're right. The person RMTing against SE's EULA would definetly be able to keep his account(s) running without spending one dollar as long as there's enough supply of PLEX/Crysta/ w/e available on the market.

2. What's to stop RMT from cornering the market in these tokens? Can they not be resold? I'd think that RMT, with unlimited (hypothetically) gil, would almost be forced to buy all tokens and then resell them at the same rate they sell directly. Is that observed in other games?

The PLEX/crysta is meant to be tradeable and resellable, so in theory, this could happen.

This, however, never happened in EvE Online. There are people in the game that could easily do so, but they don't. The fact that CCP is hardcapping the price on PLEX is key.

No more PLEX for an acceptable amount of money available on markets would result in all players currently using PLEX return to the normal method of recurring payment via bank transfer. Actually, every EvE-player is at all times subscribed via a payment method, CCP simply isn't pulling any money as long as theres gametime via PLEX active.

All players who want to sell PLEX to receive ingame currency in return simply buy them from CCP and put them up for the usual amount.

Sorry for language, not a native speaker.

[Aenarion]

Interesting thread. 2 questions for those in favor:

1. Wouldn't this allow RMT to remove their own subscription costs, since they will clearly have gil to spend on these tokens? While I can see decreased demand for RMT gil as a function of this system, I am guessing RMT has decreased costs as well.

Naturally, though the final effect is probably a net negative for RMT operations, as other operating costs such as employee, equipment, electricity etc. cannot be negated this way, while the PLEX system sets an artificial price ceiling on what they can charge for their currencies.

2. What's to stop RMT from cornering the market in these tokens? Can they not be resold? I'd think that RMT, with unlimited (hypothetically) gil, would almost be forced to buy all tokens and then resell them at the same rate they sell directly. Is that observed in other games?

The supply of those PLEX/Token is unlimited, as long as there are people willing to pay the devs real money in exchange for them. Buying all the ones one the market and reselling (a typical market manipulation technique) may give them some profit boost in the short term (and carries the risk for losses should the bubble implode while they still holds stock), it's an unsustainable cycle as higher in-game price for PLEX only serves to incentivize others to purchase PLEX from the devs and sell for ingame currency, creating additional supplies (in most cases, oversupply) that can only create a bubble that will inevitably burst, as demands for PLEX goes down as price goes up.

Volume is a huge factor here. In Eve the daily trade volume of PLEX is immense (approx. $45,000 to $60,000+ USD worth in the central market hub alone), it's really beyond the capability of any one entity to have anything more than a temporary effect on PLEX price, much less corner its market. As far as the market is concerned, think of PLEX more as a commodities like stocks or gold. Many people uses PLEX as hedge against inflation, and any abnormal price spike is only going to cause the stockholders to release their holdings to make some easy profits.

Would this happen in FF14? it's hard to say, as Eve has one of the largest, most robust and complicated economy/market system in any MMO, so it behaves differently than your typical MMO economy does.

Just...stop...arguing everyone down. I'm done here. Not going to internet-argue with people who think they are constantly right.

LOL

This has nothing to do with whether I think I'm right or not. You stated your arguments, which I countered with my own along with the reasons to show that you statements were in fact incorrect, and that's somehow "arguing people down", whatever that even means. This is a forum, it's used to debate stuff, it's not just used for circle-jerks or undeserved mob pilling-ons like you were doing, which ironically you seem to have no problem with.

The best part of all this? you didn't even once try to actually debate the points I raised, instead immediately resort to "omg you disagreed with me you're a big meanie!!!!11!!"

[AhmeraMae]

@Nuinn

you're wrong. nice troll.
3/10 for the attempt.

[Nuinn]

@Nuinn

you're wrong. nice troll.
3/10 for the attempt.

Prove me wrong or a troll Yeah, I thought so. . . .
Btw how long did it take for you to switch accounts? Just curious Shhh, your secret is safe with me *angelface*