SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[A_Hortensia]

Oh man, so glad I voted already and that the election is almost upon us so I don't have to be barraged with anymore political ads! Okay, let's see what's going on in the Lodestone..

NO. OH GOD. NO. WHY?

1) Money, items, or any other entity which exists outside the game should not influence, effect, or hold value to any aspect, item, or currency that exists within the game.

2) Players who wish to experience/play FFXIV or FFXI should only be able to by being customers who support the company and it's staff with their own purchases/subscriptions.

3) When someone says: "This is unfair." or supports their statement with the reason: "Unfair." (Also: "unethical") That is a valid argument.

[Abriael]

I agree, but it still basically means that I, still, am at an advantage of getting more gil, in a shorter amount of time. . . .

You don't get it in a shorter amount of time. This kind of market normally balances out (as prices are decided by demand and offer) so that the price that the month of gameplay is equivalent to its time/value in real life.

IE: If it takes an average worker one hour and a half to earn the price of a monthly fee in real life, the item will settle in gil price around what an average player can farm in a hour and a half give or take a few percentage points and taxes.

[Nuinn]

With the obvious and very positive result of slicing radically the profit of RMT companies, as they have to sell cheaper gil that took them the same resources to farm.



That's probably because you don't know much about economy. Without making massive transactions or inserting currency into the economy, you can't have an appreciable effect on the economy.

To prevent the first, you simply limit the amount of months someone can purchase in a period of tine (as it's done on TERA). You don't need to prevent the second because no currency is inserted in the market with this system.

As a matter of fact, currency is removed from the market, as this kind of transaction is normally taxed.

There's no "advantage" because money does not grow from trees. People paying for this service would still have to spend a sizable amount of time making the money for it.



It's not your place to decide this.



Wrong. It's SE's best interest to allow as many people as possible to keep their subscription active. This is as elementary as it gets. Every lost accounts "hurts" them, because it's missed income. No matter if it's small or large. Missed income is missed income.



This has absolutely nothing to do with it.

It's not my place to decide whether someone should or should be not able to play, true. It's not my place to ask for alternatives either? Just as you are doing by asking for an alternative to keep more accounts active (which is where better crysta deals, or even gifting crysta to friends, come into play, so it has absolutely everything to do with it).

Money doesn't grow on trees, correct. My spare $$$ that I chose to spend on buying and reselling game time items will still allow me to get gil easier than other players, and in term allowing me to buy/finish/do stuff in game faster/easier/without the grind some or most players have to go through. I have to spend less time grinding and I'm happy about it. Thank the Twelve that I have enough $$$ I chose not to spend on a dinner and drinks that give me that advantage.

[ShivenCasull]

Oh man, so glad I voted already and that the election is almost upon us so I don't have to be barraged with anymore political ads! Okay, let's see what's going on in the Lodestone..

NO. OH GOD. NO. WHY?

1) Money, items, or any other entity which exists outside the game should not influence, effect, or hold value to any aspect, item, or currency that exists within the game.

2) Players who wish to experience/play FFXIV or FFXI should only be able to by being customers who support the company and it's staff with their own purchases/subscriptions.

3) When someone says: "This is unfair." or supports their statement with the reason: "Unfair." That is a valid argument. (Also: unethical)

RMT will exsist with or without the proposed system.

This system would in fact support the developers of XIV/XI

The "unfairness" can be relatively minimized with supply/demand and proper control of gil creation. (As someone said earlier, Yoshi wants the best gear in the game to be U/U)

[Abriael]

1) Money, items, or any other entity which exists outside the game should not influence, effect, or hold value to any aspect, item, or currency that exists within the game.

That's not for you to decide. It's SE's position to decide. Real world elements ALREADY influence the game. If you have more free time than someone else in your real life, you can play more, earning more advantages in the game.

This system actually just balances that out.

2) Players who wish to experience/play FFXIV or FFXI should only be able to by being customers who support the company and it's staff with their own purchases/subscriptions.

And in fact with this system they still do, even if indiractly. Person that pays with gil supports person that pays with money that supports SE. It's a very simple equation.

Mind you, even players that wouldn't pay at all, if there was such an option (not advocating it's implementation, just bringing an example), support the developer, as they effectively provide content for paying players.

Ergo, this argument is invalid.

3) When someone says: "This is unfair." or supports their statement with the reason: "Unfair." That is a valid argument. (Also: unethical)

No, it's not an argument at all. It's just an unproven and unsubstantiated statement.

Mind you, it's unproven and unsubstantiated argument simply because there's no logical argument against it, as it's been already proven a solid and beneficial system in other games.

[Abriael]

It's not my place to decide whether someone should or should be not able to play, true. It's not my place to ask for alternatives either? Just as you are doing by asking for an alternative to keep more accounts active (which is where better crysta deals, or even gifting crysta to friends, come into play, so it has absolutely everything to do with it).

That's not an alternative. That's something else entirely. Both things could easily cohexist.

Money doesn't grow on trees, correct. My spare $$$ that I chose to spend on buying and reselling game time items will still allow me to get gil easier than other players

Easier? Are you telling me that earning gil in the game is harder than earning money in real life?

Boy, that's new.

[Nuinn]

You don't get it in a shorter amount of time. This kind of market normally balances out (as prices are decided by demand and offer) so that the price that the month of gameplay is equivalent to its time/value in real life.

IE: If it takes an average worker one hour and a half to earn the price of a monthly fee in real life, the item will settle in gil price around what an average player can farm in a hour and a half give or take a few percentage points and taxes.

The fact that the month of gameplay is equivalent to its tive/value in real life still doesn't negate the fact that, I can get gil by going to real life work, and not actually playing the game.

Easier? Are you telling me that earning gil in the game is harder than earning money in real life?

Boy, that's new.

Nope, that's just how you chose to read it

[GodseijuroHiko]

After reading through all 16 pages I can tell that this debate is divided between the people who:

1. Have no real idea what the plex system actually is and are just scared of the acronym RMT.

2. The people that do know and are trying to explain its benefits to no avail. and

3. The people who somehow got ont he subject of a cash shop/ buying items besides plex and are arguing this even though it is not even a part of this argument lol.

I support this idea of a Plex like system, however I feel like the game systems as they were in 1.0 would support it poorly. We will need to see how 2.0 shakes up to determine whether or not it is feasible.

Most honest response I've seen here yet. People have stated that it's too soon to know if we need this. I agree. 2.0 isn't even out yet. However, this is just a discussion on the idea. Yet most of the responses are fear of the letters RMT. There is still that guy who is ok with what little RMT we did have in 1.0 because we're used to it. It made me smile

[Abriael]

The fact that the month of gameplay is equivalent to its tive/value in real life still doesn't negate the fact that, I can get gil by going to real life work, and not actually playing the game.

I'm not sure how "Playing the game" has any implication of merit.

Nope, that's just how you chose to read it

Then you have a chance to explain, because your statement definitely looks like that.

Most honest response I've seen here yet. People have stated that it's too soon to know if we need this. I agree. 2.0 isn't even out yet. However, this is just a discussion on the idea. Yet most of the responses are fear of the letters RMT. There is still that guy who is ok with what little RMT we did have in 1.0 because we're used to it. It made me smile

Me too, a bit bitterly though.

[Mamakat]

Attacking him personally will do nothing to help your apparent ignorance.

Please explain to me how I have attacked him personally. Especially since this, your previous post, and his replies to me have insulted my intelligence and are the ones that seem to be attacking me. Just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean I don't UNDERSTAND it.