SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

[AhmeraMae]

Real world money for in game (non U/U)items/money destroys a game.

You exchange real world money for crysta. You exchange crysta for gametime or for the amount of gil another player is willing to pay for the amount you're offering. You receive either gametime or gil. The player who bought your stock receives your crysta. Why would he buy crysta? Because he wants gametime. He exchanges your crysta for gametime. The crysta are gone, the gil changed hands. End of story.

Now, when exactly was the game destroyed in your opinion? The gil were redistributed, not generated. Why do you expect whoever exchanges crysta for gil to be a bad person? Maybe he wants to help out a friend who's short on money or recover from an absence?

It really does not matter if the company who owns the game runs the trade or not. It destroys a level playing field. in XI, if you wanted a scorpion harness or peaock charm circa 2006, you would either need to spend $20 real life money or farm and craft and sell rare items for months to gather up the 40million gil (unless you were one of the few obtaining the items or in a good HNMLS which would make you the top 3% of players for gil/item generation) So how is it fair to let someone pay real life money to circumvent playing the game normally in order to have what is generally unobtainable to the rest of the players?

I don't know what's fair in your opinion. What i do know is that RMT run, regulated and hardcapped by SE will earn money for them. Money they so desperatley need to keep going. Also, the guy buying his gear still is a bad player bcause he's lacking experience, otherwise he would have access to enough resouces and jobs to craft it himself.

People were, are and will always be RMTing.
RMTing is like a Drug.
Don't ban it.
Legalise it, regulate it, tax it.

Also: Damn, 3 month of work ingame or 20$ worth of RL currency? Sounds like a really fucked up economy.

What would happen if best korea were able to use the souls of its citizens to get resources from the Æther, making it able to destroy all other nations on the earth? in effect, this is what happens when you allow RMT. RMT means real money trading, it is not explusive to illegal RMT endeavors (all of which are currently illicit in this game, even though they are permitted in some other games.)

I know the meaning of the term RMT, thanks for reminding me though.

[Warlock]

You sound a lot more like demanding this to be implemented ..nothing to do with the "please" in the thread title lol so..what if SE doesn't feel like it? stop already you are not gonna gain anything by getting aggressive with the big majority that opposes your idea

[AhmeraMae]

You sound a lot more like demanding this to be implemented ..nothing to do with the "please" in the thread title lol so..what if SE doesn't feel like it? stop already you are not gonna gain anything by getting aggressive with the big majority that opposes your idea

You're mixing things up, Aenarion isn't the OP of this thread.
Also, you're keeping track of the people and their opinions in this thread? Great, what's the score then?

[Aenarion]

You sound a lot more like demanding this to be implemented ..nothing to do with the "please" in the thread title lol so..what if SE doesn't feel like it? stop already you are not gonna gain anything by getting aggressive with the big majority that opposes your idea

Reading comprehension fail/10

I also like how I'm apparently demanding for this to be implemented in game despite having said multiple times that I don't think this fits FF14 or that it'll ever be implemented by SE.

Are some of my posts aggressive? hell yes, because I was ripping apart posts that contained factually incorrect information, just like this post of yours.

[Warlock]

Reading comprehension fail/10

I also like how I'm apparently demanding for this to be implemented in game despite having said multiple times that I don't think this fits FF14 or that it'll ever be implemented by SE.

Are some of my posts aggressive? hell yes, because I was ripping apart posts that contained factually incorrect information, just like this post of yours.

ppl paying monthly fee with gil is as beneficial to SE as ppl paying tickets with community service is to government

[Aenarion]

ppl paying monthly fee with gil is as beneficial to SE as ppl paying tickets with community service is to government

fail again.

Under the PLEX system, no subscription is paid with gil, as a PLEX is created only when someone has paid the game company real world money first.

The correct ticket analogy would be that instead of cash, the ticket was paid with check instead.

[Halvaard_Vidan]

Chronoscrolls/PLEX do favor people with a disposable income, but it also makes it so people without a disposable income can theoretically play for "free/gil". It has worked in other games... perhaps a limit on how many Sub Replacement Items one can buy per 30 days... eliminate normal subs, cap it at 4, so Buyer uses one for himself and has 3 to sell.

It's kinda like speculating on Gil Futures, $9.99USD = ?? Gil.

[ShivenCasull]

Chronoscrolls/PLEX do favor people with a disposable income, but it also makes it so people without a disposable income can theoretically play for "free/gil". It has worked in other games... perhaps a limit on how many Sub Replacement Items one can buy per 30 days... eliminate normal subs, cap it at 4, so Buyer uses one for himself and has 3 to sell.

It's kinda like speculating on Gil Futures, $9.99USD = ?? Gil.

The big thing is, you cannot make IRL money with PLEX. In the case of PLEX the only money going into the system is for an in game item. You can't turn around and sell your PLEX for $15 (at least, not legally) The real money is given to the game company and elminates middle-man RMTs.

It turns the completely negative RMT into a monitored/protected transaction. (Square Enix isn't going to sell your gear for gil)

Edit: This is a great way of looking at it.

People were, are and will always be RMTing.
RMTing is like a Drug.
Don't ban it.
Legalise it, regulate it, tax it.

[gahoo]

Interesting thread. 2 questions for those in favor:

1. Wouldn't this allow RMT to remove their own subscription costs, since they will clearly have gil to spend on these tokens? While I can see decreased demand for RMT gil as a function of this system, I am guessing RMT has decreased costs as well.

2. What's to stop RMT from cornering the market in these tokens? Can they not be resold? I'd think that RMT, with unlimited (hypothetically) gil, would almost be forced to buy all tokens and then resell them at the same rate they sell directly. Is that observed in other games?

[ShivenCasull]

Interesting thread. 2 questions for those in favor:

1. Wouldn't this allow RMT to remove their own subscription costs, since they will clearly have gil to spend on these tokens? While I can see decreased demand for RMT gil as a function of this system, I am guessing RMT has decreased costs as well.

2. What's to stop RMT from cornering the market in these tokens? Can they not be resold? I'd think that RMT, with unlimited (hypothetically) gil, would almost be forced to buy all tokens and then resell them at the same rate they sell directly. Is that observed in other games?

RMT's could effectively remove their own subscription costs, however in order to make money (dollars) they would still have to sell gil itself. In the case of buying crysta to trade for gil, you buy crysta from SE directly.

They could corner the market on the tokens, however the singular price of X amount of gil will always be limited by the price of 1 month subscription. (Based on the demand of crysta and current gil inflation)