SE stop doing the "norm"

[ShinigamiKayla]

I hope no one takes these threads seriously even the design team... I still don't see how the game is a WoW clone... I don't see why people get riled up by people like rokien... I mean if their kind had power FFXIV original would still stand... and I would of quit with a lot of the band wagon after launch o_o... seriously bashing a quest system... go suck a fat one... you do it in any game even in earlier FF games... OH FOR THIS RARE ITEM GO COLLECT SO AND SO AND BRING IT BACK FOR ME... thats like saying every side quest in any FF game is a WoW clone... I do not get it o___o WoW has succesful questing... PVP... PVE... and a lot of other systems and people expect something new? If its not broken don't fix it isnt that the saying... there is nothing wrong with originality but ffs...

FFXI has a new expansion out soon people... if you don't like ARR go back to playing it and QQ about abyssea some more...

I'm glad the forums are so full of intelligent individuals who suffer from delusions of grandeur~ and always look back on XI with rosey retrospection... sure I liked the game... but I would of enjoyed something less grinding because unlike other people I had a life... when it took me 10 hours to get 72-75 not one break with school in the morning that is just way to long... I'm sorry I hate grinding... and I hate stuff like even in FFXIV while exping being in competition for grinding spots like Natalan was all the time... at least questing tells a story that keeps me going instead of being bored out of my god damned mind in an exp party for hours upon end...

you can't please everyone though... no matter what someone will piss on your cake...or for those that hate cake lets say pie... or even icecream... a cookie even...

[Dannythm]

You clearly don't like MMO's.

That's an ignorant post right there, just because someone don't like a certain game style it doesn't mean he don't want to find something in the same genre that offers something different.

[Rokien]

Rokien, I agree with you in some of your opinions and surely share the same fears about ARR, so take this not as a troll post but as serious recomendations:

Play if you haven't Dark Souls/Demons Souls and even stay for the PvP in Dark, they are challenging, fun and innovate games, just not the usual concept of MMO, but with certain elements, I think you'd like them. Also the Wakfu MMO is pretty fun, or you could always get your fun in Ragnarok Online, those games are alike, but not the same as the game style Everquest spawned, and well, not a mmo but a really great game with a great story and... well, other elements that I won't spoil for you: Spec Ops: The Line.

Dark souls demon souls I have over 400 hours on both of them lol

[Rokien]

That's an ignorant post right there, just because someone don't like a certain game style it doesn't mean he don't want to find something in the same genre that offers something different.

Kinda like how I played FFXI for 9 years, and pretty much every other mmo that's come out now lol

I want to like MMOs, but they just don't do it for me, especially when I watch shows like Sword art online, .hack

[Starlord]

That's an ignorant post right there, just because someone don't like a certain game style it doesn't mean he don't want to find something in the same genre that offers something different.

However, beating a dead horse saying that FFXIV ARR is going to suck ( which is basically what Rokien is saying) is just as bad as Ingolf saying that Rokien doesn't like MMO's.

Rokien has the right to not like something and express it, but to keep on saying it gets annoying sometimes. Ingolf is just to blame when he said that, but Rokien is no cherry blossom either.

[TomCarroll]

That's an ignorant post right there, just because someone don't like a certain game style it doesn't mean he don't want to find something in the same genre that offers something different.

I don't think you're making a fair statement. So far, the biggest gripes I've seen seem to stem from the UI and control scheme. That's about where that similarities for all current MMOs on the market really end. Except for Rift... That was a pretty blatant WoW Ripoff...

[Elexia]

I hope no one takes these threads seriously even the design team... I still don't see how the game is a WoW clone...

People on these forums can gladly throw around and accept that XI is an "EQ clone" though. So honestly, you can't really talk about anything in regards to stuff like that without someone's obvious biasness creeping in. Look at Rift, it was a literal direct competition to WoW and even had the same damn font face lol, it was very blatantly designed as a "WoW clone" to try to steal those players.

[TomCarroll]

it was very blatantly designed as a "WoW clone" to try to steal those players.

Oh man, it totally worked too. I remember so many people quitting WoW and acting like Rift was the next big thing. I played it; it was okay.

[Yellow]

You clearly don't like MMO's.

You clearly don't understand what he's talking about.

If you've actually played the MMORPGs he mentioned, you'll realised they all (minus Eve/FFXIV 2.0 cause it's not out yet, and FFXI) have a huge similarity with each other. They're about 80% the same, 20% different.. well maybe in SWTOR + RIFT + WoWs case. Aion isn't that much different, except it's more grindy and the combat is slightly more faster.

A lot of MMORPGs lack innovation.. and the games that actually have innovation screw up the rest of the game (FFXIV when it was first released).

To be honest I'm not worried about ARR.. I mean we haven't had the opportunity to play it! But it's fair to say.. that if the game is too similar to certain mmorpgs.. the game won't survive. Seriously, if SWTOR couldn't survive 'just because it's Star wars', then I 100% doubt that Final Fantasy could survive, especially with it's 2010 failed launch.

It might work for 100k players, but that's definitely something to be disappointed about. All that work and effort, and you have a large portion of your fan base unhappy and only 100k players who'll most likely leave as soon as another game of their interest comes out.

[Keisuna]

Features in games that have been done to death:

Graphics: - Seriously, when was the last time they made a game without graphics? Text games back in the day didn't have to have graphics to be fun. Why not have a game with just sound and no graphics? That'd be original, at least.

Music: - This little dinosaur is as old as time itself, and yet we're still dragging it around with us. Why can't we get a game that plays that noise dial-up modems make instead? Or maybe the sound of alleycats fighting?

Input Devices: - Seriously? Why does every game in existence rely on input devices? The Kinect even uses a huge camera doohicky that interprets your movement. Sure, the input device itself changes now and then, but it's old hat. We need something new.

Lack of Pain: - With the exception of really horrible games like Atari's E.T. and Superman 64, there are no games that cause any measure of pain to the player as a gameplay mechanic.

Polygons: - You know, polygons had a great run back when they first came out, but now it's just old hat. We've seen it before, and you're not impressing anyone no matter how many of them you can fit on a screen. It's right up there with the next one on the list...

Pixels: - HO-LAY-CRAP these are overused. Seriously people, it's 2012! Why are we still using relics from the prehistoric period of the computer era?? Get with the program!

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All kidding aside, the point I'm trying to make is that it doesn't matter whether or not it's been done before, it matters whether or not it's done well.

Please try to remember that before flailing your arms and screaming about WoW clones.