May we have quick clarification regarding the White Ravens (earrings)?

[Shougun]

Honestly, believing they will be obtainable in ARR is akin to those people believing that those seals weren't going to be used for relic weapons back when. It's common sense, and it's been stated many times over. Nael deus Darnus is an exclusive fight to 1.0, why should they reward people in 2.0 who didn't take the time to experience the "once in a lifetime" opportunity? Relics or Soon to be unobtainable earrings. Time for a priority check.

No. Common sense would be that you understand the possibility that SE would revive a boss (like they have done in every FF game). And that it is supported by allusions to a particularly famous reviving boss - and even further supported by similar story nuances of that boss and this one as well as subtle precedence set by primals.

Relics are 100% for sure going to be in 2.0 obtainable not sure how you related those.

I dont think anyone says for 100% sure he will be there, but it is not 100% sure he will not be there. (Until rep/dev response at least). Furthermore just because Nael is present doesnt mean the earing will be - nor does it mean they will not be present even if Nael is not.

[Zezlar]

No. Common sense would be that you understand the possibility that SE would revive a boss (like they have done in every FF game). And that it is supported by allusions to a particularly famous reviving boss - and even further supported by similar nuances of that boss and this one as well as subtle precedence set by primals.

Relics are 100% for sure going to be in 2.0 obtainable not sure how you related those.

I dont think anyone says for 100% sure he will be there, but it is not 100% sure he will not be there. (Until rep/dev response at least).

Yeah, they do revive the bosses. I fully expect to see Nael make a come-back in some fashion, but think to yourself. Why would they give out the very item that is the ONLY incentive for the current version fight. It doesn't make any sense.

Also in regards to the seal comment. Back before Relics were "About" to be introduced when Hamlet was released. The primal seals were found, and Rowena specifically mentioned that they would be used to obtain something. and yet, we had dozens of threads speculating they weren't for the quest.

I'm not posting this to be an ass. To me this is a common sense thing. To award the reward for the ultimate boss to someone in ARR who chose to not do it when it was available as a one time thing is a slap in the face to anyone who did it.

[Eliseus]

Yes, will a community rep please respond to this. The only thing directly stated that they won't is that yoshi said to do the content now since it's the hardest content in 1.0 and won't be anymore due to new battle mechanics etc... That doesn't necessarily say that even the fight won't be in 2.0 anymore (though all of us know it most likely won't). People who say the white ravens won't be in 2.0 have nothing at all to support that statement so it would definitely be nice to actually get a response for this.

[Dzian]

lol

that is all

Serious Question:
Why lol?

Considering even the patch notes for the quest said it was not a part of the umbral story and as a result has direct contradictions to the story? Patch Notes

*This battle content presents some contradictions when played alongside the main story, as events following the battles are the same as those experienced during the quest "To Kill a Raven." Please note that these battles do not have to be completed to advance the story. "Rivenroad (Hard)" is currently the most punishing battle available in FINAL FANTASY XIV, and we intend for players to enjoy this as a special challenge after completing the main story.

[Shougun]

Yeah, they do revive the bosses. I fully expect to see Nael make a come-back in some fashion, but think to yourself. Why would they give out the very item that is the ONLY incentive for the current version fight. It doesn't make any sense.

Also in regards to the seal comment. Back before Relics were "About" to be introduced when Hamlet was released. The primal seals were found, and Rowena specifically mentioned that they would be used to obtain something. and yet, we had dozens of threads speculating they weren't for the quest.

I'm not posting this to be an ass. To me this is a common sense thing. To award the reward for the ultimate boss to someone in ARR who chose to not do it when it was available as a one time thing is a slap in the face to anyone who did it.

For the white ravens I am less sure - though nothing really says they can't. We dont know 100%. However I feel SE has either done a lot of alluding and foreshadowing on accident or they really intend to bring him forth again.

Sephiroth -> Nael
Crazy -> Crazy
A part of evil organization Shinra -> A part of evil organization Garlean
Leaves group -> Leaves group
Calls down meteor -> Calls down meteor
Mother is a meteor rock, so sephiroth is part embeded -> Nael says he will embed himself in the meteor if he has to
Wants to destroy everything -> also wants to destroy everything
Thinks he is doing something good by killing -> funny he does too
cant stop the meteor -> cant stop the meteor
Gods (gaia) save the world from the meteor -> gods save you from the meteor
Muisc and some iconic scenes -> Similar music and iconic scenes

Revives multiple times -> probably going to as well


As for the White Ravens, Dzian has the best argument for them being in 2.0. Only items removed are related to Umbral right? Well the Hard mode fight isnt related. Just like the hard mode primal fights.

[Zezlar]

serious question:
why lol?

Even the patch notes for the fight said it was not a part of the umbral story and as a result had direct contradictions to it?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ch-1.23a-Notes

It is very much apart of the story. It's just a re-imagining of what happened when the player went to face Darnus. It just doesn't advance the story in any fashion over the current normal version. Doesn't mean it's not part of the Umbral storyline.

[Shougun]

It is very much apart of the story. It's just a re-imagining of what happened when the player went to face Darnus. It just doesn't advance the story in any fashion over the current normal version. Doesn't mean it's not part of the Umbral storyline.

Primals have to do with the story as well. Thats why their easy mode is being removed and changed in the list of removed achievements. But hard mode wasnt enough apparently and the items involved with it are confirmed to be staying.

[Dzian]

As for the White Ravens, Dzian has the best argument for them being in 2.0. Only items removed are related to Umbral right? Well the Hard mode fight isnt related. Just like the hard mode primal fights.

Primals have to do with the story as well. Thats why their easy mode is being removed and changed in the list of removed achievements. But hard mode wasnt enough apparently and the items involved with it are confirmed to be staying.

Thats kinda my point. The hard modes aren't part of the storyline.

[Zezlar]

Primals have to do with the story as well. Thats why their easy mode is being removed and changed in the list of removed achievements. But hard mode wasnt enough apparently and the items involved with it are confirmed to be staying.

but there's a difference between Darnus and Primals. Nael deus Darnus was created solely for the 7th Umbral storyline. The same storyline that is going to essentially be deleted. The primals on the other hand were planned to be used in the main scenario (and Leviathan/Titan were delayed due to the Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami). They never once stated that primals were being removed (summons themselves), and as for the weapons I don't recall any facts specifically stating primal weapons would be removed outside of player speculation. (If you do please link me, and I would happily look it over).

Anywho, i'll look back for that link but I think stating any more of my opinion on the subject would just be beating a dead Chocobo. I don't think it's wrong to believe that they will exist in 2.0, but rather stating I find it highly unlikely.

[Shougun]

but there's a difference between Darnus and Primals. Nael deus Darnus was created solely for the 7th Umbral storyline. The same storyline that is going to essentially be deleted. The primals on the other hand were planned to be used in the main scenario (and Leviathan/Titan were delayed due to the Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami). They never once stated that primals were being removed, and as for the weapons I don't recall any facts specifically stating primal weapons would be removed outside of player speculation. (If you do please link me, and I would happily look it over).

They never stated Nael will be removed either.

And yes player speculation due to the primals relation to Umbral is why some thought them (weapons) to be removed (and the achievements being removed). But same case for Nael, again player speculation. There is just enough evidence for as there is aganist.