Raid boss Drop question on translation

[Dzian]

The token system is supposed to be a back up. if you don't get your piece in the main loot pools then you at least get a little bit closer to it with tokens. this i think is what every single mention of a token system in the last couple of years has been asking for.

so having instead lesser rewards for tokens is a huge kick in the teeth. If your stuff doesnt drop then you're still no closer to it nor have you made any progress towards it. thus the token system becomes completely useless.

[Matsume]

The token system is supposed to be a back up. if you don't get your piece in the main loot pools then you at least get a little bit closer to it with tokens. this i think is what every single mention of a token system in the last couple of years has been asking for.

so having instead lesser rewards for tokens is a huge kick in the teeth. If your stuff doesnt drop then you're still no closer to it nor have you made any progress towards it. thus the token system becomes completely useless.

I don't think the token bought gear will be in any way noticably different than the legit dropped gear. Like the difference btween HQ and NQ - the only people that are going to care are the epeen mongering elitist hardcore players who think they are better than the rest for having +1 or +2 extra of any given stat.

[Shura]

Fooooooooooound iiiiiiiiiiiiiit

Thanks for the links, the info in regards to token is in the first article, the 4gamer one. My translation might not be 100% accurate or as good as Rein's so maybe have him look into it later.

吉田氏：
　今回，新生FFXIVでは，ボスモンスターのレアアイテムドロップを確率で縛りつけるのではなく，ボスを倒せれば必ずなんらかの報酬が得られるようになっています。
　レアドロップも，1パーティに対して2～3個はドロップするので，それをパーティ内で抽選していただきます。その代わり，その抽選に参加する権利がコンテンツによって週3回まで，のように決まっています。そのリセットタイマーが各コンテンツに用意されるので，それの確認などですね。
　もちろん，抽選に漏れた人にはトークン（チケットのようなもの）が渡され，トークンを貯めて交換できるアイテムもあるので，結果に対して必ず成果があるようになっています。

This time in New FFXIV, instead of of tying Boss monster rare drops to luck/chance, your guaranteed to obtain some kind of reward for defeating the boss. One party will get around 2-3 rewards so you'll have to draw(i assume he means roll can also mean lottery) for it within the party, As a result you'll be limited to 3 rolls/draws/lottery per week depending on the content, and a reset timer will be provided for each content.

And of course those who do not win the lottery will be awarded token/tickets which can be accumulated and exchanged for items so in result you will always gain something

確実4gamer: に2～3人はレアアイテムが手に入り，ほかの人にもちゃんと報酬が用意されていると。

4gamer: So 2-3 people will be guaranteed items and the others will also obtain some kind of reward?

吉田氏： レアアイテムに関しては，運が悪いとなかなか自分に権利が回ってこないかもしれませんが，それでも週3回や4回はチャレンジできますし，それで手に入らなければ，再取得まで別のコンテンツへという形になると思います。このあたりは，実際にプレイしていただかないと，感覚としてはお伝えしにくいかもしれませんね。

Yoshida:
In regards to rare items, if your luck is really bad, then your chance might not come around but even then you can challenge the content 3-4 times a week.(this next sentence is a bit confusing for me, so I'll color it green since I'm not sure if I'm reading it right)If you still don't get it then you can do different content until you can re-acquire it. In this regard, unless you play and experience it yourself it is hard to explain.

Again l would like to state that my Japanese is limited and as such the translation might not be 100% accurate.

The part in green, there were some kanji in this sentence that i did not understand, The way i understood it is if you fail to get the reward within that week, then you can do other content till your lottery participation timer is up again. if this translation is somewhat accurate then this can mean a few things.

If lottery participation timer is different from re-entry timer then this would indicate that if you lose the lottery 3x then you won't be able to roll again even if u got nothing, so win or lose you lose lottery participation count.

"そのリセットタイマー" "that reset timer" in this case, the way i understand it, "that" is referring to the lottery participation, implying that the timer is for the lottery participation. But for all we know in SE's head lottery participation and re-entry might be the same thing, so its hard to say if the two are different. Taking into the fact that u can only participate in lottery 3x (1st quote) but can challenge the content 3-4x (2nd quote) i myself think the 2 are different, an official translation on the subject would be nice .

In the first quote he says that you draw for the items within the party(at least that is how i understood it) implying it might not be system side random lottery, people might have the option to pass, those who don't get the drops will get token instead.

One last time i would like to remind people that my translation skills are very limited, there are some Kanji within the article that i do not understand well so keep that in mind when you discuses and hope we get something more accurate and official soon.

[Matsume]

Thanks for the links, the info in regards to token is in the first article, the 4gamer one. My translation might not be 100% accurate or as good as Rein's so maybe have him look into it later.

Great Stuff

One last time i would like to remind people that my translation skills are very limited, there are some Kanji within the article that i do not understand well so keep that in mind when you discuses and hope we get something more accurate and official soon.

Excellent work Shura, but how did you access the first article? I got directed to a Crystal Conquest advertisement... Orz

In any case your translation confirms two aforementioned hypothesis:

1) There will be a Need/Greed looting system implemented. The boss rewards are put into a "party reward" pool and everyone has the option to Need or Greed the item. Need rolls are limited to three items per week. Those that don't get an item through Need are rewarded a token instead.

2) There will be a limit on how many times any dungeon can be challenged per week. 3-4 times per week depending on lock out timers i suppose.

This leads to one last conclusion: That you will be able to run the dungeon beyond the amount of Need rolls you have remaining. For ex: you can Need roll on three items in your first dungeon run of the week and thus be unable to roll Need on any other items reset but will be able to continue doing the dungeon, lock out timers permitting, to obtain tokens if not greed rolls.

I will redirect this to Reinheart and see If he can confirm this too. Thanks again!

[Shura]

Excellent work Shura, but how did you access the first article? I got directed to a Crystal Conquest advertisement... Orz

I will redirect this to Reinheart and see If he can confirm this too. Thanks again!

NP, hope the info helps. I just clicked on the 4 links in the thread you provided and they opened up. here is the direct URL to the article

http://www.4gamer.net/games/092/G009287/20121010042/

[Matsume]

NP, hope the info helps. I just clicked on the 4 links in the thread you provided and they opened up. here is the direct URL to the article

http://www.4gamer.net/games/092/G009287/20121010042/

Thanks, I got it to work. However, Google translate is terribad:

4Gamer:
You are said to re-acquire the reward period?

Mr. Yoshida:
This time, in FFXIV newborn, rather than tied in probability of boss monsters drop rare items, some compensation so that it can beat the boss always obtained.
Also rare drops, so drop 2-3 pieces for one party, in the party asked to draw it. Instead, I have decided that the right to participate in the lottery, and so on up to three times a week depending on the content. Since the content is provided in each of the reset timer, and so I make sure of it.
Of course, the person who leaked the lottery token (such as ticket) is passed, because there are items that can be exchanged tokens accumulate, so that there is always the result outcome.

4Gamer:
2-3 people will surely get rare items, and are available to other people just fine reward.

Mr. Yoshida:
With respect to rare items, rights may not come around to their hard luck is bad, I can challenge four times and three times a week still, if you do not get so, until we get to the content of the different re- I think it will be form. If you do not you actually play, this area, as the sense may be hard to tell.

[Tango]

They mentioned a need/greed system many times in the past. So it would be logical to assume thats what they are doing with this 3 lots per week setup. You can Need roll 3x a week total, if no one need rolls you can greed roll as many times as you want. If you roll and don't win the lot then you get tokens to save up and spend. There is going to be lockouts, and it sounds like its 3-4 runs per week max. Moderate lockouts are good there is no reason to spam a dungeon ad nauseum. Hopefully they balance it and let you re-try w/o a penalty, like you use up a run if you clear it.

[Shura]

Hope failing to clear will impose a shorter re-entry timer as opposed to when u clear, new dungeons will take time to get the hang of, will be disappointing if u can only try every 2 days or something. Primals and Darkhold have a shorter re-entry timer if u fail but AV/CC do not so hopefully all instanced content will have this feature in ARR

[NoctisUmbra]

New translation of old stuff by Rein: http://goo.gl/qAfmS

My interpretation based on all information thus far as to how the loots will work in ARR:

Sounds to me like they're completely doing away with re-entry timers and instead utilizing the new lottery timers. It makes sense. When you sit down to do a dungeon, you're not limited in how often you can do it... However, it still quite effectively limits how much loot comes out of said dungeon.

So essentially you can clear it as a party and go right back in if you like, but after 3 tries at lotting each, players individually will have no chance at rare loot.

I'd thought of it as a sort of limit of 3 per week, but after thinking of it in this sort of timer context, it seems more like you won't be limited by reentry timers, but instead once you participate in a lottery your timer for that dungeon will activate for a period of 48 hours or something, effectively preventing you from getting loot more than 3-4 times a week.

[Reinheart]

I'll post it here also for discussion purpose.
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It's from the last 4gamer interview i did quit translation yesterday... orz it was text where they talked about the main menu for the PS3 talking about the 'social' one where other interview they just mentioned it was to check friend list, linkshell, company... sorry

Should of copy/paste whole document into google doc and go through each paragraph like the other two interview orz...

Here's whole translation for that section, I'll add it to the other post so it doesn't get all mixed up.

Source: http://www.4gamer.net/games/092/G009287/20121010042/

4Gamer：
　では，それを前提に「ソーシャル」「コンテンツ」「ライブ」といったメニューに関しても教えてください。前者の2つは名称から想像できそうですね。
OK could you please explain about the menu social, contents, and live? For the first two we could probably guess from the name.

吉田氏：
　「ソーシャル」はフレンドやリンクシェル，フリーカンパニーなどのコミュニティ関連です。「コンテンツ」は「コンテンツファインダー」の呼び出しと，コンテンツごとのリワード（報酬）再取得までの期限の確認などができます。
Y: For Social it's community related stuff such as friend, linkshell or free company. For Contents when you call up the contents finder you check the time remaining to reobtain rewards for each contents.

4Gamer：
　リワードの再取得期限といいますと？
What do you mean by timing to reobtain rewards?

吉田氏：
　今回，新生FFXIVでは，ボスモンスターのレアアイテムドロップを確率で縛りつけるのではなく，ボスを倒せれば必ずなんらかの報酬が得られるようになっています。
　レアドロップも，1パーティに対して2～3個はドロップするので，それをパーティ内で抽選していただきます。その代わり，その抽選に参加する権利がコンテンツによって週3回まで，のように決まっています。そのリセットタイマーが各コンテンツに用意されるので，それの確認などですね。
　もちろん，抽選に漏れた人にはトークン（チケットのようなもの）が渡され，トークンを貯めて交換できるアイテムもあるので，結果に対して必ず成果があるようになっています。
Y: This time in ARR FFXIV instead of having percentage drop on boss monster, we have it made so when you defeat the boss monster you will get some type of reward. Even for rare drop for each party there will be 2-3 item drops, so would like to have that go through lottery within party. But to participate in that lottery it is set for each contents to 3 times per week.
For that we have reset timer available for each contents so it's to check on those status. Of course for those that didn't make the lottery will get a token (something like a ticket) and by collecting the token there are items you can trade so it's made so that there is some type of result.

4Gamer：
　確実に2～3人はレアアイテムが手に入り，ほかの人にもちゃんと報酬が用意されていると。
So there are rare items for sure for 2-3 people and for others you have other rewards prepared.

吉田氏：
　レアアイテムに関しては，運が悪いとなかなか自分に権利が回ってこないかもしれませんが，それでも週3回や4回はチャレンジできますし，それで手に入らなければ，再取得まで別のコンテンツへという形になると思います。このあたりは，実際にプレイしていただかないと，感覚としてはお伝えしにくいかもしれませんね。
For rare items if you have bad luck that privileged may not come around to you but you can challenge 3-4 times a week and if you still don't get it you can try other contents until you can try to reobtain. For this part it may be hard to understand till you actually play and try it out.