"Revamped" Rewards System

[Mijin]

I remember the exact same thing. As far as they told us, there should be a lesser version of the uber items to be obtained via points (or currency or whatever) and, I guess, the uber items will still be hard to obtain as they are now.

So they're copying WoW's loot system? This frightens me because WoW likes to make all the gear you work hard for become completely useless every two months or so. Id much rather have it be like.... Example: Heavy Darklight body costs 100AV Seals, and you get an AV seal for every successful run. That doesn't seem to be the direction they're heading though... However, I don't ever remember them saying what you guys are suggesting.

[Guevara]

So they're copying WoW's loot system? This frightens me because WoW likes to make all the gear you work hard for become completely useless every two months or so. Id much rather have it be like.... Example: Heavy Darklight body costs 100AV Seals, and you get an AV seal for every successful run. That doesn't seem to be the direction they're heading though... However, I don't ever remember them saying what you guys are suggesting.

Dunno about WoW. Never played it. But I agree with you; would be nice to have a lesser version for, let's say, 30 points and the uber versione for 100, in order to totally remove the RGN issues.

[Shougun]

So they're copying WoW's loot system? This frightens me because WoW likes to make all the gear you work hard for become completely useless every two months or so. Id much rather have it be like.... Example: Heavy Darklight body costs 100AV Seals, and you get an AV seal for every successful run. That doesn't seem to be the direction they're heading though... However, I don't ever remember them saying what you guys are suggesting.

They do that because they want you always to be doing something - making obviously (flat out) better gear is one way of doing it. WoW's drop system and WoW's updates are not entirely relate-able.

Though I played pre-burning crusade so I dont know whats new besides what is in their trailers they send me every now and then. (Cant remember much of dungeon loot other then I liked all the options you had for party/raid looting choices compared to FFXIV - its been a while :P)

[Warlock]

So they're copying WoW's loot system? This frightens me because WoW likes to make all the gear you work hard for become completely useless every two months or so. Id much rather have it be like.... Example: Heavy Darklight body costs 100AV Seals, and you get an AV seal for every successful run. That doesn't seem to be the direction they're heading though... However, I don't ever remember them saying what you guys are suggesting.

Is this forum really that full of LOLWoW players? in every damn thread i see a "they doing this or that like WoW i played it" and in the 7 years i played FFXI nobody had a good opinion about WoW infact they hated it ..which leads me to think that none from FFXI plays FFXIV

[NefGP]

So they're copying WoW's loot system? This frightens me because WoW likes to make all the gear you work hard for become completely useless every two months or so. Id much rather have it be like.... Example: Heavy Darklight body costs 100AV Seals, and you get an AV seal for every successful run. That doesn't seem to be the direction they're heading though... However, I don't ever remember them saying what you guys are suggesting.

They basically already have in the form of their stupid DPS calculation for WS damage (as opposed to just rebalancing skills that could abuse high base dmg when used by other classes) ... it effectively renders the Ifrit weapons obsolete (and nullifies weapon diversity), instead of an alternative to Garuda.

This is one thing I really do feel Tanaka got right in XI and I'm sad to see the game go this route. IIRC, even Relics won't stay as powerful as they are, as Yoshi himself said something along the lines of what's considered "Relic" now, may not be at a later time.

[Estellios]

They basically already have in the form of their stupid DPS calculation for WS damage (as opposed to just rebalancing skills that could abuse high base dmg when used by other classes) ... it effectively renders the Ifrit weapons obsolete (and nullifies weapon diversity), instead of an alternative to Garuda.

This is one thing I really do feel Tanaka got right in XI and I'm sad to see the game go this route. IIRC, even Relics won't stay as powerful as they are, as Yoshi himself said something along the lines of what's considered "Relic" now, may not be at a later time.

Yes let's let Ifrit weapons be as powerful as Garuda weapons, they are almost a year old now and Garuda is 1000x more difficult than Ifrit.

People need to let the damn Ifrit weapons go, there are a ton of alternatives that are as good/much better.

[NefGP]

Yes let's let Ifrit weapons be as powerful as Garuda weapons, they are almost a year old now and Garuda is 1000x more difficult than Ifrit.

People need to let the damn Ifrit weapons go, there are a ton of alternatives that are as good/much better.

They're both Primals, why should one's rewards be strictly better than the others?

Honestly, shut up. The beauty of XI's design for years (until level cap increase) was the dev team would constantly pump out alternatives to the older gear, without obsoleting it - effectively giving players many choices. THAT is good game design, and probably one of the major reasons XI has lasted as long as it has. A Year old? Big deal, Sky Gear was amazing for 5+ years. That's the other extreme I'll grant you, but it's not like they didn't try to make anything that could compete with it, such as Limbus & Salvage gear.

Heck even the Nyzule Isle stuff was pretty decent. Campaign gear wasn't horrible for a while... etc etc. The WoW approach of simply negating older gear with new content is absurd and all it does is restrict our options and kill incentive for new players to try the older content. Again, another strong point of XI - there's always something to do.

[AntonyB]

They're both Primals, why should one's rewards be strictly better than the others?

Honestly, shut up. The beauty of XI's design for years (until level cap increase) was the dev team would constantly pump out alternatives to the older gear, without obsoleting it - effectively giving players many choices. THAT is good game design, and probably one of the major reasons XI has lasted as long as it has. A Year old? Big deal, Sky Gear was amazing for 5+ years. That's the other extreme I'll grant you, but it's not like they didn't try to make anything that could compete with it, such as Limbus & Salvage gear.

Heck even the Nyzule Isle stuff was pretty decent. Campaign gear wasn't horrible for a while... etc etc. The WoW approach of simply negating older gear with new content is absurd and all it does is restrict our options and kill incentive for new players to try the older content. Again, another strong point of XI - there's always something to do.

If I could, I'd like this post 100x over. Well said.

[Ricky]

So they're copying WoW's loot system? This frightens me because WoW likes to make all the gear you work hard for become completely useless every two months or so. Id much rather have it be like.... Example: Heavy Darklight body costs 100AV Seals, and you get an AV seal for every successful run. That doesn't seem to be the direction they're heading though... However, I don't ever remember them saying what you guys are suggesting.

What world do you live in where a new WoW tier occurred every 2 months? Try twice a year if that
But anyway, this is something the majority of players will enjoy, if you are going to waste time on the game you should be able to see some measure of progress instead of 3 hours of content with nothing whatsoever to show for it for any person in the entire group

[Mijin]

What world do you live in where a new WoW tier occurred every 2 months? Try twice a year if that
But anyway, this is something the majority of players will enjoy, if you are going to waste time on the game you should be able to see some measure of progress instead of 3 hours of content with nothing whatsoever to show for it for any person in the entire group

You're maths a little off there pal lol. Wow came out in late 2004 and they're currently on tier 15, and that's not including the tons of dungeon sets. As for it being something people will enjoy I have three words for you: Final Fantasy XI

It was a great game, people loved it, and they didn't use this system. Most people interested in XIV are XI players from the past.