Is the "Point Allotment" system necessary at all?

[Koti]

I happen to like my Point Allotment system thank-you-very-much.

I like the fact I can setup my job the way I want to play and if other people don't use it, that is their choice. However as I have been showing my friends, its a good idea /to/ use it, as I am right doing enough damage both auto-attack and TP that tanks have a hard time keeping hate off me as a DRG.

Mostly because I hit like an elephant and when I get hate, I have to run away, but thanks to having points in VIT, I am not ever so squishy.

I designed my DRG to be a DD, but with survivability so I could solo when I had nothing better to do, or play as a kiter when needed. My main purpose is DD, but I can also do other things.

That is the flexibility that this system allows and that is why I like it.

[Zumi]

The point allotment isn't needed its a choice of be good or bad. Spend your points to increase your auto attack damage or not. There is an illusion of choice but its plain to see be good or bad.

Making this whole system unnecessary. All it does is to allow uninformed players to pick the wrong points and under preform in content.

[Biggs]

The point allotment isn't needed its a choice of be good or bad. Spend your points to increase your auto attack damage or not. There is an illusion of choice but its plain to see be good or bad.

Making this whole system unnecessary. All it does is to allow uninformed players to pick the wrong points and under preform in content.

I think the OP's main point here though is that instead of being given a system that gives us the ILLUSION of choice, why can't we have systems that actually allow REAL choices?

Just my impression though.

[Nakiami]

I think we just need a way to be able to easily re-allocate points at will and it will be fine to keep it in.

Yep, or a way to reset all stats and not just your main stats if they want to keep the system.

[Gidonoidon_Sur]

Point allotment is pointless.

[Halfmask]

Hello folks.

I realized while getting my DRG and MNK to 50 that I and almost everybody else using those jobs never had a reason to put points into anything but the 2 auto-attack mods which made me wonder...

When the game launched and stats were vague at best the system was interesting, with being able to re-spec your elemental resistance and stats but now that we know that for most classes only the two main modifiers are what matters and are what most people spend their points on...

Do we really need this system? or would taking it out and re-balancing the stats distribution be better?

DRG goes STR/PIE, WAR goes STR/VIT, MNK uses STR/INT and so on.

BLM and WHM are an exception I suppose since they don't need to use their Auto-Attack so BLMs put points on INT/PIE(?) and WHMs MND/VIT. (I'm no mage, so don't take my word on the above stats but there's a standard most people conform to I'm sure.)



TL;DR: Why have points allotment at all if everybody caps the 2 mods that count and ignore the rest? would you be OK with the system being taken out and stats being rebalanced?

Better than taking the point allotment away, it'd be great to have more viable options of specs to play with, making the assignament of points relevant. But yes, with the direction of the game so far it's useless and misleading.

[Duelle]

I think the OP's main point here though is that instead of being given a system that gives us the ILLUSION of choice, why can't we have systems that actually allow REAL choices?

Just my impression though.

That's close to impossible to create without compromising other parts of the current class design. You'd have to split abilities into groups that scale with different stats to encourage different "builds" within each job with few overlapping skills. Of course, this then leads to the "single role or hybrid?" argument.

Not to mention, "choice" lasts only for a while until the cookie cutter build is discovered by the theorycrafters and then anyone that wants to be taken seriously in PvE or PvP will have to use that build. Nature of the beast; and no, I don't mean the game, but the community.

[Deakka]

Point allotment should really go, unless:

1) A system is created where reallocation is not limited. Currently you can only change point allotments a total of times equal to the amount of jobs you've unlocked. "Oh, you've switched between pvp and pve stats 10 times? You're screwed buddy, time to start over on a new character".

2) There is an actual reason to dump points in any stat that is not vital to your job. Currently any Bard that puts points into vitality or intellect is wasting his time, limiting his potential, and thus hurting the performance of anyone in the group. Some people are for keeping it in because "Hey, it gives us options!". When faced with an infinite amount of inferior options and 1 (possibly 2 with PLD's and WHM's) superior options, there is no longer any choice involved. You find that ideal spec online and you damn well better not mess up when clicking! Also, the myth that a few points in vitality suddenly makes you less squishy is silly. You're still going to drop like a damn rock if you pull threat.

Stat points are, essentially boring. You gear to reach caps and then you're done. Currently the most exciting system is being able to select different class abilities based on your current job. However, even this sytem is limited. Nine times out of 10, the ability you select will be lackluster if it's not from your main job or class. Some abilities are also damn near mandatory (chameleon on blm/mnk/drg for example). Once again, this is a scenario of having 1-2 optimum ways of setting up your character, and GOD HELP YOU if you make a mistake. Right now it's just giving people the illusion of choice as opposed to real choices.

[Deakka]

That's close to impossible to create without compromising other parts of the current class design. You'd have to split abilities into groups that scale with different stats to encourage different "builds" within each job with few overlapping skills. Of course, this then leads to the "single role or hybrid?" argument.

Not to mention, "choice" lasts only for a while until the cookie cutter build is discovered by the theorycrafters and then anyone that wants to be taken seriously in PvE or PvP will have to use that build. Nature of the beast; and no, I don't mean the game, but the community.

Very eloquently put. I remember from WoW around the time when WoTLK was being prepped and there was the huge debate between "Pure" classes (hunters, rogues, warlocks, mages) and Hybrid (everybody else) as far as DPS was concerned. Some people cried and moaned about Pure classes getting the shaft since they were no longer automatically on top of the dps charts... but eventually the cries died down.

[GreyJorildyn]

I like the fact I can setup my job the way I want to play and if other people don't use it, that is their choice. However as I have been showing my friends, its a good idea /to/ use it, as I am right doing enough damage both auto-attack and TP that tanks have a hard time keeping hate off me as a DRG.

Mostly because I hit like an elephant and when I get hate, I have to run away, but thanks to having points in VIT, I am not ever so squishy.

You're majorly fooling yourself if you think 22 points of VIT is saving your life or providing anything meaningful to your DRG.

Point allotment is pointless.