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    Quote Originally Posted by Aion View Post
    such a drama...

    is it too hard to make new friends?

    as we never "lost" our friend in real life, when you grow up, or you moved away, you will lost contact with some of your friend...but you will also find new friends in your new place/school...
    Sure, I've lost friends. Did I like it? No. Do I like the prospect of losing some again? No.

    and Its not our fault to only able in one language, its our choice, but if you think knowing 5 languages make you feel smarter than rest of us,go ahead,but its a moot point on this discussion
    Where did I say knowing 5 languages makes me smarter? Assumptions, assumptions.

    My point stands; if you can't understand any other language, don't assume others don't.
    "Fault" and "choice" are a matter of perspective and don't change the fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Rose View Post
    What's the Big fuss?add 3 Data Center Servers for eu, na and Jp that have a "global" on them so ppl will Know that Players with the Same interest will collect there.
    That's not what SE is planning to do, that's the fuss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soukyuu View Post
    Sure, I've lost friends. Did I like it? No. Do I like the prospect of losing some again? No.

    Where did I say knowing 5 languages makes me smarter? Assumptions, assumptions.

    My point stands; if you can't understand any other language, don't assume others don't.
    "Fault" and "choice" are a matter of perspective and don't change the fact.

    That's not what SE is planning to do, that's the fuss.
    Im not assuming, the fact is people prefer to talk using its Native language, or English if its his secondary language. Thats why some of them prefer regional server.

    your argument to support global server only (5 languages it is) is weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aion View Post
    Im not assuming, the fact is people prefer to talk using its Native language, or English if its his secondary language. Thats why some of them prefer regional server.

    your argument to support global server only (5 languages it is) is weak.
    It would seem that some people just like to stare at Japanese/French/German ( And English for those that don't know English) text instead of playing the game. In an MMO world, a person needs to be able to communicate with the people your joining up with or else you can end up killing your party from this "Language Barrier". My main problem with Multi-Cultural gaming is that you can't really communicate effectively, sometimes even with the Auto-Translate.

    It helps greatly when you know people within your language to communicate with you. Don't get me wrong, they are fun to play with and Multi-Cultural parties when you can get the communication a crossed, but sometimes you spend more time just trying to get the goal of the mission down through Multi Languages.

    Also, add in the fact that everyone will have different Latency's, It can make things very difficult ( even for 1-2 second delay over someone) can really make a huge difference when claiming something, or if someone is in Critical health and your cure didn't get there in time, even though you put the input in 2 seconds ago.

    Battling Latency doesn't equal skill, it's just plain annoying to deal with and can make play experience frustrating.

    The only one's that would benefit from a Global server are the one's near those servers ( in this case is Japanese).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlord View Post
    <snip> ... instead of playing the game.
    But that's exactly why I would prefer global servers. So I can play the game, not just in primetime, but any free time that I have (which is admittedly some very strange hours). I had a great PT at 6am this past weekend that was a split of NA/JP/EU. We had a heck of a time doing random flights and just hanging out. I will sorely miss that.

    As others have said, even though they will offer a choice of which region server you want to be on, that will be most appropriate to (as an example) an English speaker who happens to be living in another country, or vice-versa; or someone who had a non-standard work schedule and regularly plays at a time that isn't their normal primetime.

    What this will NOT do is provide for global servers that are active at all times of the day. Even though I really enjoy playing with JP/EU, being on one of their servers will still be to my detriment due to the lack of NA. I don't *gain* anything through that making that choice.

    I realize why this is being done, but it still makes me sad that one of the things I (and many others) particularly enjoy about FFXI and FFXIV is going away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamison View Post
    But that's exactly why I would prefer global servers. So I can play the game, not just in primetime, but any free time that I have (which is admittedly some very strange hours). I had a great PT at 6am this past weekend that was a split of NA/JP/EU. We had a heck of a time doing random flights and just hanging out. I will sorely miss that.

    As others have said, even though they will offer a choice of which region server you want to be on, that will be most appropriate to (as an example) an English speaker who happens to be living in another country, or vice-versa; or someone who had a non-standard work schedule and regularly plays at a time that isn't their normal primetime.

    What this will NOT do is provide for global servers that are active at all times of the day. Even though I really enjoy playing with JP/EU, being on one of their servers will still be to my detriment due to the lack of NA. I don't *gain* anything through that making that choice.

    I realize why this is being done, but it still makes me sad that one of the things I (and many others) particularly enjoy about FFXI and FFXIV is going away.
    Random fights you have more of a chance to do things with random Cultures, but when it comes to Primals/Strongholds/Dungeons ( end gameish content) More than likely you will be turned down if you don;t know their language.

    Random fights are as they are "Random" thus everyone at a certain point should know what they are doing and shouldn't come a crossed any problems at all. With content that requires Strategy it's a different story, at that point people really need to be Communicative to get things done. If you can't rely the strat to the other Language thoroughly, You will have a rough time getting it done.

    Dying is fun, dying too many times is not fun. I understand everyone has different work schedules and what not, thus Global servers are better suited to everyone's needs, however when you look at the broad scope of things and get real thick into the ice, Getting into end-game content with people not of said Language is very tricky and can slow other people down from getting top-gear and all that jazz.

    As I said before Global and Regional servers have their advantages.

    Global servers= Having time to play with others regardless of time you play ( but suffer Latency if your far way from the server)
    Regional- No Language Barriers, No Latency, the only flaw people schedules may conflict with the Regional Prime time.

    Some things in life we have to work around things to achieve a happy medium. If they could some how Combine Regional/Global Servers to make it still Global but sill choose a server closest to you and still play with everyone around the world. I would be for that.

    But if I had to choose it would be Regional Servers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlord View Post
    Random fights you have more of a chance to do things with random Cultures, but when it comes to Primals/Strongholds/Dungeons ( end gameish content) More than likely you will be turned down if you don;t know their language.

    Random fights are as they are "Random" thus everyone at a certain point should know what they are doing and shouldn't come a crossed any problems at all. With content that requires Strategy it's a different story, at that point people really need to be Communicative to get things done. If you can't rely the strat to the other Language thoroughly, You will have a rough time getting it done.

    Dying is fun, dying too many times is not fun. I understand everyone has different work schedules and what not, thus Global servers are better suited to everyone's needs, however when you look at the broad scope of things and get real thick into the ice, Getting into end-game content with people not of said Language is very tricky and can slow other people down from getting top-gear and all that jazz.

    As I said before Global and Regional servers have their advantages.

    Global servers= Having time to play with others regardless of time you play ( but suffer Latency if your far way from the server)
    Regional- No Language Barriers, No Latency, the only flaw people schedules may conflict with the Regional Prime time.

    Some things in life we have to work around things to achieve a happy medium. If they could some how Combine Regional/Global Servers to make it still Global but sill choose a server closest to you and still play with everyone around the world. I would be for that.

    But if I had to choose it would be Regional Servers.
    You're making it sounds like global servers will not have enough of the people from the same regions to form their own end game groups.

    Global servers will have that end game groups you're speaking of + the luxury of having an active lively server at any point of time. The only con is the latency, basically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanillaLatte View Post
    You're making it sounds like global servers will not have enough of the people from the same regions to form their own end game groups.

    Global servers will have that end game groups you're speaking of + the luxury of having an active lively server at any point of time. The only con is the latency, basically.
    End game content hardly has any other cultures, besides that you can get other people with other languages. but when it comes to end game content, you hardly see anyone outside your language.

    Edit: Seems like everyone on here knows German/French/Japanese/English... teach me some...
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanillaLatte View Post
    You're making it sounds like global servers will not have enough of the people from the same regions to form their own end game groups.

    Global servers will have that end game groups you're speaking of + the luxury of having an active lively server at any point of time. The only con is the latency, basically.
    As long latency is the con, ppl that wanna do Endgame seriously will go to regional servers and not to a global one. So if they can't fix latency without splitting ppl to regional datacenters you will only have endgame groups in the primetime of the region in wich the server is located at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanillaLatte View Post
    You're making it sounds like global servers will not have enough of the people from the same regions to form their own end game groups.

    Global servers will have that end game groups you're speaking of + the luxury of having an active lively server at any point of time. The only con is the latency, basically.
    Confirmed for playing in NA timezone. It's been almost 10 years since Europe have been screwed up on these so called "global servers". (talking about XI too)

    It was hell on XI to find a Linkshell that was right for you, endgame wise. Yes all Worlds had some EU shells, but the choice was really low, especially if you wanted to focus on a specific activity, you had way less choices or no choice at all.

    Right now XIV content is fine because it's 8 players max, so it's not as hard to find a decent EU dedicated group, then again, if you're not on Ragnarok it can be really hard.

    I don't care about playing on a server active at any point of time. The only thing that matters is the server to be active when I am online. What happen before and after I log out is irrelevant to me. And right now, there is no such luxury for EU players, barely able to play during their own Prime Time.

    If we ever get end-game involving 24 players on a regular basis (i.e. like Dynamis or "Raids" in other MMOs), I don't see "Global Servers" having more than ~2 decent EU raids. Which is a problem in itself as even if a group is "EU" their schedule may not be right for you. I play other titles in EU EN only servers and even there, not all raid group suits you.

    Parameters to take in consideration:

    - Level of progression (cannot join a group that is already too advanced gear wise)
    - Schedule (start and end of raid, need to be at home before start time and need the raid not to end too late, start time is usually the biggest issue though)
    - Frequency of raids (usually 3~5 nights a week, but some players cannot commit to 4 or 5 nights a week, so it makes it hard to join these group)
    - Stance toward endgame (casual, semi-hardcore, hardcore...)

    These 4 factors alone filter out easily half of guilds for some players. No need to restrict choices even more by adding timezone differences and languages issues. (I'm not even talking about latency here.)
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    Last edited by Antipika; 09-25-2012 at 09:16 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aion View Post
    Im not assuming, the fact is people prefer to talk using its Native language, or English if its his secondary language. Thats why some of them prefer regional server.

    your argument to support global server only (5 languages it is) is weak.
    And what stops you from talking English on a global server? Or any other language? That's right, nothing.

    On regional servers, you don't have much of a choice however, good luck speaking in any language than the designated one.

    If anything, saying you want regional servers to be able to speak only one language is a weak argument. You should try something like "I don't want to see languages I don't understand, because people might be talking behind my back" etc. The mere existence of other language players does not give you any disadvantage. If you don't want to speak another language, ignore those speaking it. That way, you will have your "regional" servers, playerbase-wise. While others will have their multicultural fun.
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