Realm Reborn = downgrade?

[Biggs]

The fallacies here are too many to address...

I'll give it a try later.

Don't bother, I am not even sure you know what fallacies are.

FFXIV did need fail but it was never because of the graphics, it was simply developed bad, the story was horrible and had no endgame or deep engaging content. The current version after all the updates is a 100x better and last i checked, they didn't need to downgrade the graphics in order to add in all that content.

I too play a lot of old sprite based games, but comparing FF Tactics which was developed close to 15 years ago proves nothing. If tactics was first released this generation and looked like the original ps version im sure there would be a shit load of ppl who would complain about graphics. As already stated, even if they did completely cut out the animation, im sure everyone is still gonna play ARR but it would be nice to get a dev response on the subject. Id personally rather have the enhanced movement animation over chocobo feathers flapping when u jump.

"Last you checked" lol You know someone on the staff personally that told you over a beer or something; "Yeeaaahhhh, we COULD have kept the graphics in 2.0 looking killer with all this new stuff we're adding, but then we remembered we really hate making money and were like, forget it!" ???

And the point you make about about why xiv failed proves my initial point about graphics not being the end all be all in what determines a games success. Also, while tactics wasn't made recently, Minecraft was, with even worse graphics than tactics, an the masses loved it.

They also said the gamescom footage was run basically at ps3 specs. We should just wait until we see the beta to decide how we think it should look.

[Shura]

Don't bother, I am not even sure you know what fallacies are.




"Last you checked" lol You know someone on the staff personally that told you over a beer or something; "Yeeaaahhhh, we COULD have kept the graphics in 2.0 looking killer with all this new stuff we're adding, but then we remembered we really hate making money and were like, forget it!" ???

And the point you make about about why xiv failed proves my initial point about graphics not being the end all be all in what determines a games success. Also, while tactics wasn't made recently, Minecraft was, with even worse graphics than tactics, an the masses loved it.

They also said the gamescom footage was run basically at ps3 specs. We should just wait until we see the beta to decide how we think it should look.

What are u talking about? i never said anything about 2.0, i was comparing FFXIV at launch to the current version (1.23), with all the added content. The point i was trying to make was that Yoshi and the new team didn't need to take out animation or graphics to add in all the content. "Last i checked" was referring to last i logged in, but seems like you completely misinterpreted my entire post.

I never said graphics was everything, in fact in my post i also said that even with the animation out everyone was gonna still end up playing ARR.

I don't know where your getting your info from but i don't remember them ever mentioning that the gamescon footage being run on a PC with similar specs to PS3. In most interviews at Gamescon, the interviewers stated that Yoshida pulled out a vaio with similar specs to PS3 that ran ARR to show the difference between the higher end PC and lower end PC. If there was indeed a official post that said gamescon footage ran on a PC similar to ps3 then plz post link to source.

Honestly reading your post, seems like your simply trying to pick a fight. Your first point makes no sense, since in my post i stated "current version", i don't see the point of your 2nd point since in my original post i also said graphics was not everything and i simply want to know the source to your 3rd point.

[Nemy]

Don't bother, I am not even sure you know what fallacies are.

Today kids, we learn about fallacies!

Example 1 :

lol You know someone on the staff personally that told you over a beer or something; "Yeeaaahhhh, we COULD have kept the graphics in 2.0 looking killer with all this new stuff we're adding, but then we remembered we really hate making money and were like, forget it!" ???

This is a classic example of what we call : "False Dilemma"

"two alternative statements are held to be the only possible options, when in reality there are more"

Biggs proposes that SE either

1. Absolutely needed to downgrade the "graphics" in order to add more content. (although the thread is not about graphics, that's another fallacy, i'll get to it in a minute...)

or

2. Hates money.

When in reality, there are other options for example : "being able to keep your "graphical" quality while adding more content, yet you choose the easy way of trading an existing element for something new"

Example 2 :

Pay attention now, this is a little bit more tricky.

Minecraft was, with even worse graphics than tactics, an the masses loved it.

This an example of "Affirming the consequent", while also fitting definitions of a "Faulty generalization"

"the antecedent in an indicative conditional is claimed to be true because the consequent is true"

Biggs here proposes that Minecraft has "bad graphics" and it is loved, therefore every game with "bad graphics" (assuming FFXIV) -will or could- be loved. (regardless of genre, target group etc...)

Example 3.

This is simple, very often observed, and could be really detrimental to any conversation.

Biggs started replying in this thread derailing and misrepresenting my (quite detailed about animation) original post, referring to the subject in discussion as "graphics"

This is the old and known "Strawman Argument", a fallacy that's never missing in any forum on the interwebs.

No, i'm not talking about "graphics" you fallacious galka, i specifically talk about character animation.