2.0 Armoury System & Multiple Jobs? Concerns

[Dzian]

I'm just going to state that you all underestimate the value that one or maybe two abilities can have on a job.
With Dark Knight coming off of Gladiator (what I doubt, i'm pretty sure it's most likely to come off of Lancer due to ability synergy) a single Darkness ability that sets up a 'buff' on you that eats your HP every time you attack but grants you a massive damage boost, even bigger than Power Surge III, would pretty much set you on the DD path and away from the tank path.
That alone, given that the HP price is big enough, would make so that your shield skills are really only nescessary to save your vastly variable HP pool, and you'd really want more to stay out of the enemy's way as you kill yourself faster than the enemy does.

Of course, that is just one example.

my concern with that is that even then the dark knight would still be using riot blade, goring blade etc and thus not feeling any different from a gla / pld. it wouldn't feel so much like a true dark knight. simply a gladiator with a bit more oomph or something. and if your wielding a great big 2handed wepaon as a drk should then you won't be holding a shield making all shield skills obselete

[Skies]

my concern with that is that even then the dark knight would still be using riot blade, goring blade etc and thus not feeling any different from a gla / pld. it wouldn't feel so much like a true dark knight. simply a gladiator with a bit more oomph or something. and if your wielding a great big 2handed wepaon as a drk should then you won't be holding a shield making all shield skills obselete

Ask around the many players who complained when Bard came out how bad they felt about the entire shift in how their class works in relation to their job. Given how the entire rest of the party is limited, Bards have been put in a distinctively support role, not only due to Bard buffs but also due to them being one of two (BRD and PLD) jobs which can do secondary healing and support (Despite the fact it's always the archer's fault, there were many times that my LS's Bard saved us from a wipe with a Raise).

Gotta also remember what goes in the secondary abilities you're restricted to. Depending, a different set of sub-abilities would change things dramatically, say that DRK comes from Gladiator (it won't, if it ever comes up it's coming from Lancer), but it can sub LNC and THM, and it has at least one spell nuke, Umbral-type. Now wouldn't that give an entirely different playstyle than what a PLD has?

[Dzian]

Gotta also remember what goes in the secondary abilities you're restricted to. Depending, a different set of sub-abilities would change things dramatically, say that DRK comes from Gladiator (it won't, if it ever comes up it's coming from Lancer), but it can sub LNC and THM, and it has at least one spell nuke, Umbral-type. Now wouldn't that give an entirely different playstyle than what a PLD has?

I based the drk coming from gladiator as that is the popular concept on the forums and the one example by yoshi p. the idea of drk is to give gla a dd option so it wouldn't come from lnc.

i think though seeing the ideas a few people have mentioned in this thread and the pipedreams things. the classes are being looked to as stepping stones into jobs and the concept of the armory system is that classes would be more than that. if you have a defensive pld an offensive drk and a middle of the road gla. the gla seems kinda useless here. if your party needs a dd the a drk would be better. if your party needs a tank then a pld would be better there isnt really much where you'd want the gla over either of the other 2 options and that is part of the problem with whole armory system and why classes are mostly useless