SOOOO....

Scytale got home early from work and immediately signed in, grabbed all the friends he could and was able to Grind out a total of 13 Hamlets before the timer was up for Hyrstmill...for those 13 runs, he got 2 seals and every other time, an Ebony knot. ...so did he grind enough NOW??

So his actual drop rate was 2/13 or 15%

Yes, I get that others go 3/3 and so the ave. for a #3 is still 25%... but again, it's a lot of EXTRA effort for no real reward...well unless anyone wants a Militia Barbut...we have like 100's of those :P

Here's the bigger point...we get seal drops w/o provisioner status...heck w/o a provisioner we still get 60K+ runs typically. So all that effort, is it really worth 2 extra seals...especially when you consider that if we all just spent less time crafting/gathering the mats for turnin's in the first place and did an extra 2-5 hamlets, we would have been able to get him the 2 seals that way.

No one is arguing the difficulty...heck no one is even saying relics shouldn't take time to earn. But when some people get 'lucky' and only have to do something 10 times while others need to do it 300... there IS a problem.

Another thing to consider...while I am 3/9 on seals with about 100 combined hamlet runs under my personal belt, I only have 3 seals due to the grace of my static...my personal inventory has yet to see even 1 seal drop. That's right...in an event where you need 9 Key items, there are players who have cleared the event (with 60K scores btw) 100 times and have yet to see a seal drop...that means that if I had to solely rely on my crappy RNG luck (and not the grace of my static) I'd need to do 900-1000 hamlets to get 9/9.

This is NOT the only time my personal RNG has sucked in this game...I'm actually becoming known for it.

But back to the point: Even if you got one seal per party per run for 60K+ hamlet, that's still 72 runs (or 42 hours bare min)...runs that require a modest amount of teamwork and communication. Most LS's and Groups doing the other portions of the relic questline spend less than 72 hours learning how to do each of the steps after that....and once they learn how to do those steps, can basically get a relic weapon every 7-10 days. So when you argue 'relic is for the dedicated' or 'relic is not for everyone' then it shouldn't be possible for those who have 9/9 hamlet seals to blast through the remaining parts of the quest in under a week...you know, the difficult parts.

And yes, I'm well aware that we could pass Scytale all seal drops and get him 9/9 in less than a week. But he can't do the rest of the quest himself...so what's the point? We're not a huge ls...we're trying to get 10 people 9/9. We're like 70% there and have been grinding since the Relic Quest came out....stop telling me 'your group hasn't put in the time'