Relic Weapons-Broken Promises

[fusional]

those prices are ALL player determined, SE did not set the price, so it doesnt work the way your thinking

and none are really rarer then others...., rarity is again determined by the players willingness to bind certain pieces of gear to get them out there, not by SE

wrong. mind IV and manathirst are dirt cheap because there's really no reason to use them.

WHM gets better +healing from AF head. chiran zabran's tempest smokes anything you can do with mind materia. and even as cheap and easy to aquire as that weapon is, the best weapon otherwise would be a wand with VIT for enhancing magic potency.

Manathirst is just as awful, as it is inferior to nearly any other materia in nearly any situation. WHM and BLM get better returns from Blessed Mind and Convert by having more HP, not MP. -enmity is also better than MP whenever you have to choose between the two. and if someone doesn't have any primal weapons, there are obviously better materia to put on their weapons as well.

Savage Might is attractive for both weapon and body slots for every dps job, as well as being required for DRG relic- a very popular relic to boot. Heavens' eye is the same, except it's needed for *two* relics. etc etc.

And if you're going to try to make the argument that the playerbase decides which materia are more or less useful than others, that would be patently ridiculous. This is an issue of supply/demand. Nobody needs or wants or uses MNDIV or MP materia, so the supply goes up. Demand was already low, and only dips more the more materia are introduced. On the other hand, there is always a demand for the other materia used for relic...

...and get this...

...for things *other than relic* as well. So demand is already higher, and now the popularity of relic drives supply even lower. Demand stays high, supply goes lower, price increases. You can't expect the player's to actively choose to work against a naturally occurring phenomenon in economics.

Also, there are spreadsheets showing that some materia *are indeed* rarer than others, sometimes by a pretty fair margin. I'm on my laptop currently and can't link, but I'll be happy to when i get back home.

So, no. 100% no.

[Leo_Hart]

Why not this :

PLD - HP+120, Acc + 40, Healing Pot +15
Accepted by : T4 HP + T4 Heaven Eye
T4 HP + T4 Healer's Hands
T4 Heaven Eye X 2
T4 Heaven Eye + T4 Healer's Hand

[Leo_Hart]

wrong. mind IV and manathirst are dirt cheap because there's really no reason to use them.

WHM gets better +healing from AF head. chiran zabran's tempest smokes anything you can do with mind materia. and even as cheap and easy to aquire as that weapon is, the best weapon otherwise would be a wand with VIT for enhancing magic potency.

Manathirst is just as awful, as it is inferior to nearly any other materia in nearly any situation. WHM and BLM get better returns from Blessed Mind and Convert by having more HP, not MP. -enmity is also better than MP whenever you have to choose between the two. and if someone doesn't have any primal weapons, there are obviously better materia to put on their weapons as well.

Savage Might is attractive for both weapon and body slots for every dps job, as well as being required for DRG relic- a very popular relic to boot. Heavens' eye is the same, except it's needed for *two* relics. etc etc.

And if you're going to try to make the argument that the playerbase decides which materia are more or less useful than others, that would be patently ridiculous. This is an issue of supply/demand. Nobody needs or wants or uses MNDIV or MP materia, so the supply goes up. Demand was already low, and only dips more the more materia are introduced. On the other hand, there is always a demand for the other materia used for relic...

...and get this...

...for things *other than relic* as well. So demand is already higher, and now the popularity of relic drives supply even lower. Demand stays high, supply goes lower, price increases. You can't expect the player's to actively choose to work against a naturally occurring phenomenon in economics.

Also, there are spreadsheets showing that some materia *are indeed* rarer than others, sometimes by a pretty fair margin. I'm on my laptop currently and can't link, but I'll be happy to when i get back home.

So, no. 100% no.

If EVERYONE refuse to buy those RARE materia @ ridiculous price, wont effect the price lower? is that what u mean?

What you do if your SUPER RARE heaven's eye materia NEVER get sold any in 2 months @ lowest price?

[Sylkis]

Why not this :

PLD - HP+120, Acc + 40, Healing Pot +15
Accepted by : T4 HP + T4 Heaven Eye
T4 HP + T4 Healer's Hands
T4 Heaven Eye X 2
T4 Heaven Eye + T4 Healer's Hand

They would have to make bloodthirst and healer's hand meldable to swords, which affects other meldable swords.

If EVERYONE refuse to buy those RARE materia @ ridiculous price, wont effect the price lower? is that what u mean?

What you do if your SUPER RARE heaven's eye materia NEVER get sold any in 2 months @ lowest price?

yes, except people WILL buy at ridiculous price.

[Churchill]

Because people have been playing for 2 years with nothing to buy and no gil sinks.

[Niqote]

I think they did that on purpose...for all the people who easily made gil can dump it into this quest. I am having no part of it...my main job isn't even out yet (Summoner) and I don't really care about the current jobs lol. Also don't forget, Legendary weapons (the true "relics", apparently..according to interviews and the PDF) are coming in 2.0, so I would save for that =P Is what I am doing.

But yeh it seems like a massive gil sink...I've seen people on here claim they had 200m and then they ended up with 20k when they were done >.>

Wait, wait, wait ...

What? They are not the 'real' relics *blinks* ... pretty please post the source as I'd love to read it. As far as I knew these relics are going to be upgrade able.

Overall I feel that there is an obvious advantage to some weapons concerning their materia needs. It was bad planning to have requirements that have a vast % difference.

[Gold_Lion]

Why cant I turn in 10 single melded mailbreakers like turnins for hamlet? It would still be a gil sink (ie the coke you need to buy from hamlet and 2 crystal clusters for the synth)

[Yucie]

Wait, wait, wait ...

What? They are not the 'real' relics *blinks* ... pretty please post the source as I'd love to read it. As far as I knew these relics are going to be upgrade able.

Overall I feel that there is an obvious advantage to some weapons concerning their materia needs. It was bad planning to have requirements that have a vast % difference.

They're not real relics. They're cleverly-disguised AF weapons.

[Altonfenri]

there are three types of people in the games, those who play and decide to tell others to stop complaining just cuz they have nothing to do but play, those who don't try hard enough and post their comments on a forum a million times and complain even though we have no real say in the game they just want to vent, and those who are just bored and just want a distraction. all of these have their ups and downs and will never get along because most of us think were better than others. if you really think about all we do here is kind of ridiculous but its so amusing =3 relic weapons will always be time consuming and a pain so either don't waste your time worrying about it or waste your time getting it! just have fun either way!

[Altonfenri]

because that's not how they decided to make it? don't say useless things XD