Relic Weapons-Broken Promises

[Churchill]

I really enjoy the "relics aren't for everyone" argument.

I also really enjoyed when people in XI cried when relics became for everyone, or other weapons outperformed relics and still do.

If skill is a deciding factor to obtaining an item, then that is absolutely okay if some players have no chance of ever obtaining the item.

If the deciding factor is an ability to acquire gil or materia, then you're looking at the acquisition of relics from a time spent playing perspective.

WoW handles content extension via 1 week timers on raids (though they have good drop rates); if the issue is making sure the content has longevity, I much prefer having to simply wait to acquire the items I want than spend hours grinding enough gil to maybe get lucky with a meld. The double meld process could be dropped entirely and the quest wouldn't suffer. People still wouldn't beat Ifrit Extreme or 17m AV/CC. You could even stipulate that some master craftsman requires the base weapon and 2 perfect TIV materia where he will painstakingly require 2 weeks to meld for you. You've still had to farm materia/put some gil down for your weapon, but the quest is no longer cockblocking you by saying "Play more hours each day, get more gil, hope you get lucky".

The Hamlet grind is okay, though it could use some retooling as it is still an RNG system.

[KaplanHomahru]

I really enjoy the "Wait and be rewarded for nothing" argument.

[Churchill]

Well, I hope for your sake someone attempts to make it.

I'd feel awful if you weren't allowed that simple joy.

[Sylkis]

Change Heaven's Eye to Heaven's Fist for Artemis
Change Artemis +40acc to +40atk
Makes more sense I think...

Also, move one of the skill required steps like speed run to the beginning of the quest.

[Skies]

Change Heaven's Eye to Heaven's Fist for Artemis
Change Artemis +40acc to +40atk
Makes more sense I think...

Actually, the Artemis only has +15 ATK, so it can't be a Heaven's Fist at all.
It also has Accuracy+40 and Enmity -30, so it has to be one of those two.

Notice that, really, every single double-meld required is a stat that is in the final weapon, too.

[Sylkis]

Actually, the Artemis only has +15 ATK, so it can't be a Heaven's Fist at all.
It also has Accuracy+40 and Enmity -30, so it has to be one of those two.

Notice that, really, every single double-meld required is a stat that is in the final weapon, too.

40acc 15atk to 15acc 40atk

[fusional]

Relic isn't for everyone, but I still stand by the opinion that the current use of materia/melding with relic is pretty stupid and imbalanced.

Literally all they have to do to correct this is introduce an NPC which sells the materia at a reasonable price- Which could be 500k each and still be much better than the way it is now. That would still put it at 1m per double meld attempt, it would discourage artificial inflation through greed, and actually work to curb inflation altogether by removing gil from the economy. All the current system does is redistribute gil, largely into the hands of RMT.

I can't begin to understand why they haven't done so yet. And if they don't do something similar soon, I would consider it a major blunder simply by virtue of missing a huge opportunity to remove gil from the economy.

[ToxicFox]

Relic isn't for everyone, but I still stand by the opinion that the current use of materia/melding with relic is pretty stupid and imbalanced.

Literally all they have to do to correct this is introduce an NPC which sells the materia at a reasonable price- Which could be 500k each and still be much better than the way it is now. That would still put it at 1m per double meld attempt, it would discourage artificial inflation through greed, and actually work to curb inflation altogether by removing gil from the economy. All the current system does is redistribute gil, largely into the hands of RMT.

I can't begin to understand why they haven't done so yet. And if they don't do something similar soon, I would consider it a major blunder simply by virtue of missing a huge opportunity to remove gil from the economy.

I haven't seen a train of rmt's mining gold and darksteel yet. I also haven't seen them SB anything either... People want to complain about prices but has anyone thought of asking your ls to help you get the items you need. Relic isn't for everyone and if you can't fork over at least 10 mil for materia then it isn't for you. (Coming from someone with 500k) If you don't want to pay the 1.5 mil or 2 mil per materia then wait for the prices to drop cause I've seen the 2 mil materia drop to 1 mil from time to time not to mention as people get relic the price will go back to normal.

If you want this game to be run by npcs and quest rewards then I suggest you play a single player game.

[Churchill]

Spending 10m would be incredibly lucky

[ToxicFox]

Spending 10m would be incredibly lucky

Not counting the price of the weapon. If your ls helps each other then you can get the matts easy. If you SB items for materia and buy them when the price is low then you can get 5 tries at the price of 10 mil. Not bad really and if you can't fork over the cash then wait for the prices to go down. The items are hot atm so wait a few patches if you can't hang with the big boys not complain on the forums.