Relic Weapons-Broken Promises

[fusional]

Relic isn't for everyone, but I still stand by the opinion that the current use of materia/melding with relic is pretty stupid and imbalanced.

Literally all they have to do to correct this is introduce an NPC which sells the materia at a reasonable price- Which could be 500k each and still be much better than the way it is now. That would still put it at 1m per double meld attempt, it would discourage artificial inflation through greed, and actually work to curb inflation altogether by removing gil from the economy. All the current system does is redistribute gil, largely into the hands of RMT.

I can't begin to understand why they haven't done so yet. And if they don't do something similar soon, I would consider it a major blunder simply by virtue of missing a huge opportunity to remove gil from the economy.

[ToxicFox]

Relic isn't for everyone, but I still stand by the opinion that the current use of materia/melding with relic is pretty stupid and imbalanced.

Literally all they have to do to correct this is introduce an NPC which sells the materia at a reasonable price- Which could be 500k each and still be much better than the way it is now. That would still put it at 1m per double meld attempt, it would discourage artificial inflation through greed, and actually work to curb inflation altogether by removing gil from the economy. All the current system does is redistribute gil, largely into the hands of RMT.

I can't begin to understand why they haven't done so yet. And if they don't do something similar soon, I would consider it a major blunder simply by virtue of missing a huge opportunity to remove gil from the economy.

I haven't seen a train of rmt's mining gold and darksteel yet. I also haven't seen them SB anything either... People want to complain about prices but has anyone thought of asking your ls to help you get the items you need. Relic isn't for everyone and if you can't fork over at least 10 mil for materia then it isn't for you. (Coming from someone with 500k) If you don't want to pay the 1.5 mil or 2 mil per materia then wait for the prices to drop cause I've seen the 2 mil materia drop to 1 mil from time to time not to mention as people get relic the price will go back to normal.

If you want this game to be run by npcs and quest rewards then I suggest you play a single player game.

[Chardrizard]

I haven't seen a train of rmt's mining gold and darksteel yet. I also haven't seen them SB anything either... People want to complain about prices but has anyone thought of asking your ls to help you get the items you need. Relic isn't for everyone and if you can't fork over at least 10 mil for materia then it isn't for you. (Coming from someone with 500k) If you don't want to pay the 1.5 mil or 2 mil per materia then wait for the prices to drop cause I've seen the 2 mil materia drop to 1 mil from time to time not to mention as people get relic the price will go back to normal.

If you want this game to be run by npcs and quest rewards then I suggest you play a single player game.

I think what he meant is its not fair that some weapon gets to use common materias example manathirst for MNK, while the others aren't. If all materia shares the same rate, prices among weapons would be somewhat same.

[TheVedis]

I think what he meant is its not fair that some weapon gets to use common materias example manathirst for MNK, while the others aren't. If all materia shares the same rate, prices among weapons would be somewhat same.

those prices are ALL player determined, SE did not set the price, so it doesnt work the way your thinking

and none are really rarer then others...., rarity is again determined by the players willingness to bind certain pieces of gear to get them out there, not by SE

[Chardrizard]

those prices are ALL player determined, SE did not set the price, so it doesnt work the way your thinking

and none are really rarer then others...., rarity is again determined by the players willingness to bind certain pieces of gear to get them out there, not by SE

If you have been spiritbonding, you'd know that Heaven's Eye IV is extremely rare compare to like MND IV or Manathirst IV, Then you add that to 2 class that needed it. Huge demands, no supply.

[TheVedis]

If you have been spiritbonding, you'd know that Heaven's Eye IV is extremely rare compare to like MND IV or Manathirst IV, Then you add that to 2 class that needed it. Huge demands, no supply.

i do spirit bind, alot

and yes, the stat materia are more common it seems, BUT none of the weapons require the stats for the relic...so thats besides the point

the fact remains if you are spiritbinding your own materia, how many classes take that materia is irrelevent when it comes to getting them

if you are buying it, supply and demand, SE does not control that as much as the players do


in the end, the biggest issue with materia is some slots, people just do not spiritbind as much as others(jewely being the most common id think)

[Chardrizard]

i do spirit bind, alot

and yes, the stat materia are more common it seems, BUT none of the weapons require the stats for the relic...so thats besides the point

the fact remains if you are spiritbinding your own materia, how many classes take that materia is irrelevent when it comes to getting them

if you are buying it, supply and demand, SE does not control that as much as the players do


in the end, the biggest issue with materia is some slots, people just do not spiritbind as much as others(jewely being the most common id think)

WHM relic requires MND materia
MNK relic requires MP materia

I am not complaiining here since i am making materia for money but you can't say that is fair if you compare to DRG/BRD/PLD relic. Because one has to work mroe than the other, and i spiritbond every single slot possible for heaven's eye/savage might in the last 2 weeks.

[fusional]

those prices are ALL player determined, SE did not set the price, so it doesnt work the way your thinking

and none are really rarer then others...., rarity is again determined by the players willingness to bind certain pieces of gear to get them out there, not by SE

wrong. mind IV and manathirst are dirt cheap because there's really no reason to use them.

WHM gets better +healing from AF head. chiran zabran's tempest smokes anything you can do with mind materia. and even as cheap and easy to aquire as that weapon is, the best weapon otherwise would be a wand with VIT for enhancing magic potency.

Manathirst is just as awful, as it is inferior to nearly any other materia in nearly any situation. WHM and BLM get better returns from Blessed Mind and Convert by having more HP, not MP. -enmity is also better than MP whenever you have to choose between the two. and if someone doesn't have any primal weapons, there are obviously better materia to put on their weapons as well.

Savage Might is attractive for both weapon and body slots for every dps job, as well as being required for DRG relic- a very popular relic to boot. Heavens' eye is the same, except it's needed for *two* relics. etc etc.

And if you're going to try to make the argument that the playerbase decides which materia are more or less useful than others, that would be patently ridiculous. This is an issue of supply/demand. Nobody needs or wants or uses MNDIV or MP materia, so the supply goes up. Demand was already low, and only dips more the more materia are introduced. On the other hand, there is always a demand for the other materia used for relic...

...and get this...

...for things *other than relic* as well. So demand is already higher, and now the popularity of relic drives supply even lower. Demand stays high, supply goes lower, price increases. You can't expect the player's to actively choose to work against a naturally occurring phenomenon in economics.

Also, there are spreadsheets showing that some materia *are indeed* rarer than others, sometimes by a pretty fair margin. I'm on my laptop currently and can't link, but I'll be happy to when i get back home.

So, no. 100% no.

[Leo_Hart]

wrong. mind IV and manathirst are dirt cheap because there's really no reason to use them.

WHM gets better +healing from AF head. chiran zabran's tempest smokes anything you can do with mind materia. and even as cheap and easy to aquire as that weapon is, the best weapon otherwise would be a wand with VIT for enhancing magic potency.

Manathirst is just as awful, as it is inferior to nearly any other materia in nearly any situation. WHM and BLM get better returns from Blessed Mind and Convert by having more HP, not MP. -enmity is also better than MP whenever you have to choose between the two. and if someone doesn't have any primal weapons, there are obviously better materia to put on their weapons as well.

Savage Might is attractive for both weapon and body slots for every dps job, as well as being required for DRG relic- a very popular relic to boot. Heavens' eye is the same, except it's needed for *two* relics. etc etc.

And if you're going to try to make the argument that the playerbase decides which materia are more or less useful than others, that would be patently ridiculous. This is an issue of supply/demand. Nobody needs or wants or uses MNDIV or MP materia, so the supply goes up. Demand was already low, and only dips more the more materia are introduced. On the other hand, there is always a demand for the other materia used for relic...

...and get this...

...for things *other than relic* as well. So demand is already higher, and now the popularity of relic drives supply even lower. Demand stays high, supply goes lower, price increases. You can't expect the player's to actively choose to work against a naturally occurring phenomenon in economics.

Also, there are spreadsheets showing that some materia *are indeed* rarer than others, sometimes by a pretty fair margin. I'm on my laptop currently and can't link, but I'll be happy to when i get back home.

So, no. 100% no.

If EVERYONE refuse to buy those RARE materia @ ridiculous price, wont effect the price lower? is that what u mean?

What you do if your SUPER RARE heaven's eye materia NEVER get sold any in 2 months @ lowest price?

[Altonfenri]

do you have any idea how useless that statement was?