you know what grinds my gears?

[DarthTaru]

The sense of entitlement on these forums and in this thread is fast approaching creepy, bizarre, and really, really absurd.
Since nobody reads page 2 of threads that carry on this long I'm going to quote myself.

You guys understand that strong linkshells are built, right? That they're cultivated, often starting with a very limited number of people, and carefully crafted into something someone like the OP ultimately wants to join?

Yes, they actually have to be built, nurtured, maintained, etc.

They don't just fall out of the sky for the fortunate few wrapped with a bow.

So why are they obligated to give you a linkpearl again?

If you don't like the way endgame linkshells recruit or function, feel free to create your own and implement your own vision on how one should handle both.

The OP claims nobody has made any valid counter arguments to his self-entitled emo fit. I think that's a pretty solid one.
A linkshell isn't public property, it isn't a park or a beach or a museum that you have equal access to by right.
A linkshell was built from the ground up long before you applied (or chose not to apply) to it.

There have been plenty of people who have been rejected to my linkshell. Sometimes these people get pretty upset.
Want to know something? It doesn't affect us. We continue getting more Darklight, more Hamlet drops, more relic weapons, more this, more that, and more of whatever comes out in the future.

That `grind your gears,` brah? That the linkshell that inspired all your public raging, whatever linkshell that may be, probably doesn't care in the slightest and they're just continuing on with doing what they're doing? "U mad?"

I laugh at this thread in the same way that I laughed at all the bad players that argued for gil sinks to deplete the fortunes of all the "evil elitists" before 2.0 and then went on to complain when things are introduced that are too expensive for them. I don't think people think things through beyond their own envy.

Nothing is stopping you from starting your own linkshell that doesn't use an application process and invites anyone who wants a pearl. Guess what? It'll be called a "social." There's plenty of them that already exist on your server, I'm sure.
All your skilled players (if any would join you) will soon quit because of your lack of standards for membership will hold them back. Princess wipes will get old quickly.

All in all, I think you could have spared everyone having to read your long and irrational rant if you simply summed it up by saying:

"I'm not that good at this game. I'm not very motivated and I'm not flexible or willing to compromise and have a pretty bad attitude. Some linkshells have lots of cool gear and do lots of cool things. I don't and I likely never will because they don't want to play with me because I'm more a liability to them than an asset. I feel entitled to the fruits of other people's labor. This makes me extremely jealous to the point of throwing an emo and irrational fit on lodestone.

P.S. It's none of your business how others conduct themselves in this game. It's none of your business who others want to play with in this game. It's none of your business what standards are used for recruitment by linkshells you're not apart of in this game. Try doing something productive.

Oh, You like my axe, brah?



i gutz it wit allz my elitist friends while denyzing applications and ruinzing all ur funz
mwuhaha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEqb2P3Ajuc

[Krausus]

there was no "shout act," it was a campbell's condensed soup version of this thread, and general consensus agreed with me.

the comprehension skills of this forum are astoundingly below average. instead of labeling someone as an entitled brat, use your brains, read, and think before you type.

generalizing about linkshells being ran with imputinous elitism, their massive exclusion, and how they are detrimental to the game as a whole is not entitlement whatsoever.

wow way to alienate yourself from your server and the forum community all in one thread /bravo

[Squiggles]

i find it absolutely hilarious that people are getting overly butthurt over someone's opinion, feeling the need to throw ludicrous amounts of insults for no reason whatsoever.

darthtaru's post is the epitome of how devolved the internet has made people into blithering jackasses who foam at the mouth at the slightest semblance of something that MIGHT or MIGHT NOT label how they behave, even if it has nothing to do with them.

i'm sorry, but meme regurgitating fools much like yourself really need to reevaluate your life if you boil down to vomitting every unfunny, repetitious piece of garbage you see on the internet directed at something that doesn't affect you whatsoever.

being blatently stupid != trolling.

"brah" isn't a word either, egomaniacal little twat. it's almost as if i find an example of stupid worse than what i think is humanly possible, daily.

[HiirNoivl]

i find it absolutely hilarious that people are getting overly butthurt over someone's opinion, feeling the need to throw ludicrous amounts of insults for no reason whatsoever.

blithering jackasses

meme regurgitating fools

egomaniacal little twat

and....

stupid

I think the appropriate response to such startling hypocrisy is the "Ignore" function.

[Krausus]

LOL I agree OP. Especially about the applications...hahaha they are worse then the acting jobs I apply for and more involved. It is hilarious. FFXIV end game is serious business!

But yeah...this is why I wish to do things with pick up groups. I don't have time for all that nonsense with the applications that are more involved then REAL LIFE jobs. Whenever my bf and I join LS...they always treat me like a queen and then they ignore him and force (or expect) him to level up jobs he has no interest in playing..all so the leader or the leaders buddies can play the particular job.

Annnnd this is why I almost have all crafts to 50, because I rather spend my time crafting then doing end game with that type of community. I know not everyone is like that..I have met some very nice people and been in very nice social LS. But as far as the end game stuff goes...no, just...no. It is embarrassing. I instantly get turned off when going to join a shell that does events only to see a more in depth application then one that I've applied for for something as involved as acting. What a joke :X

I would certainly love to see some of these applications that are more involved than real life jobs.

here is ours http://www.seraphimls.com/recruitment I would suspect most are somewhat similar. Not even 1/8 as involved as a RL job application. Than again I have yet to apply for an acting position which probably amounts to "contact info", "what have you acted in?", "attach picture here".

[Babydoll]

Sorry Krausus, I was merely stating my opinion and I would not want to cause unnecessary drama with some harmless linkshells and start by calling them out, etc. I by no means have some vendetta against people trying to do end game online Too bad this forum does not have a PM function, I suppose.

I guess I could list some of the questions from some various shells I've seen?

Off the top of my head questions that were asked are like: Character Name, Jobs and Levels, What is your main job and why are you good at it?, What can you contribute to the Linkshell?, Play times?, What other linkshells/end game have you done, then I remember they would ask to see all my gear for all my jobs, in various linkshells I have been asked to do a Vent interview also, another question can you be on vent , what do you consider your greatest accomplishment in game, are you willing to come to certain jobs if asked to events? then there was "tell us about yourself in detail" parts..this is how it was when I was applying to 99% of linkshells for serious end game. There was more questions but I can't remember them off the top of my head, sorry!

Also..if you want to find a really serious business guild, just google Ebon Lore lol. That can give you an idea how over the top some folks go involving end game.

Yours seems to take me to a place that says "You cannot submit the form" >.> Don't get me wrong, I've applied to some very simple ones and have had a blast. Very nice people and easy to apply to linkshells.

Umm also for acting? I just submit my demo reel, a few headshots and the role I wish to apply for. No other information has been needed thus far to secure me a role. After that I get contacted of when and where to audition and that is it! Really quite simple. They do not ask my life story or care about much else just if I can act and my appearance..is it fitting for their role. At least..that is my personal experience with it

[Molly_Millions]

you know why linkshells have such arduous application processes? One reason out of many is that there are too many jerks that only want to take advantage of the hard work of others. Applications help to weed out the bad apples before they are a problem.

[Krausus]

Sorry Krausus, I was merely stating my opinion and I would not want to cause unnecessary drama with some harmless linkshells and start by calling them out, etc. I by no means have some vendetta against people trying to do end game online Too bad this forum does not have a PM function, I suppose.

I guess I could list some of the questions from some various shells I've seen?

Off the top of my head questions that were asked are like: Character Name, Jobs and Levels, What is your main job and why are you good at it?, What can you contribute to the Linkshell?, Play times?, What other linkshells/end game have you done, then I remember they would ask to see all my gear for all my jobs, in various linkshells I have been asked to do a Vent interview also, another question can you be on vent, what do you consider your greatest accomplishment in game, are you willing to come to certain jobs if asked to events? then there was "tell us about yourself in detail" parts..this is how it was when I was applying to 99% of linkshells for serious end game.

Also..if you want to find a really serious business guild, just google Ebon Lore lol.

Yours seems to take me to a place that says "You cannot submit the form" >.>

Umm also for acting? I just submit my demo reel, a few headshots and the role I wish to apply for. No other information has been needed thus far to secure me a role. After that I get contacted of when and where to audition and that is it! Really quite simple. They do not ask my life story or care about much else just if I can act and my appearance..is it fitting for their role. At least..that is my personal experience with it

Doh sorry about that yeah our recruitment is closed so the app is down. Ours focuses on the person not the player but also has your standard questions and scenarios it takes all of 5-10 minutes to fill out and has been a detrimental tool in weeding out dbags.

edit: as for employment applications they are far far more involved then what you have to do for acting

[Jinko]

IMO a linkshell needs players as much as the player needs the linkshell, so if they ask you questions such as, Why do you feel you should get a spot in the LS or what qualities would you bring to the Linkshell, I would suggest you walk away right then and there.

This is a game not a job.

That being said everyone is different and expect different things from liskshells and guilds, if you are looking for a social linkshell you should probably shout in Ul'dah for exactly that.

If you are looking for an endgame linkshell though you should probably be prepared to jump through hoops, be treated like the new guy and wait your turn for loot, that's the way it works in all MMO's.

[AdvancedWind]

IMO a linkshell needs players as much as the player needs the linkshell , so if they ask you questions such as, Why do you feel you should get a spot in the LS or what qualities would you bring to the Linkshell, I would suggest you walk away right then and there.

Not always the case. This is specially true for the "top" linkshells, those already have a very tight group that's pretty much ensured to beat any new endgame content very quickly. In these cases, yeah: The linkshell doesn't really need other players that much, and as such, the barrier of entry is gonna be higher. In fact, most endgame linkshells tighten up their app process once they get enough players.

A good example is bluegartr, have you ever seen their app process? They open one or two spots with very specific requirements ("We need a experienced white mage, well geared, with at least 3 DoH/DoL classes leveled and that already beat X, Y and Z.") and the questions you have to answer also are very specific, even asking for parser logs.

Does this feel like a job? Yep, it does. You have to prove to them that you are a top player that will fit well in their community.

This easily explains why they are often one of the first shells to beat new content, see Garuda.

Many people would probably look at that and start complaining about "how this isn't a job" or whatever, but hey, they probably are having a lot of fun while we're discussing those things on a forum, lol.

Each linkshell is a different case, and it's like everyone is saying in here: if someone doesn't like how one handles things, just don't join it.