you know what grinds my gears?

[Destain]

You know what grinds my gears?

People that join linkshells and expect drops before the people that have done 300+ runs gearin that shell.
People the refuse to play an assigned job even though the other players are far more experienced and better equipped for the job in contest.
People that complaining about elitists and then post a page long thread, a self serving thread stinking of "I'm above it".

Look, I liked your post, cus it does shine a flashlight on what could be considered indecent behavior. However, I ask you to flip the coin and consider the player that's been spamming the same content hours on end, can do it blind folded, and newby mcnewbington comes along, wants their same role, drop, and party consideration. Exercise some fing empathy and understand that if you don't show them your in it for real, they aren't going to want to spend their time gearing you out. You don't instantly become friends with everyone you work with or meet in casual social situations. You have to earn people's respect/friendship. Incoming south park reference: making friends is a lot like chat roulette. To find some quality friends you have to wade through a lot of dicks.

[TheFatHousecat]

You know what grinds my gears?

People that join linkshells and expect drops before the people that have done 300+ runs gearin that shell.
People the refuse to play an assigned job even though the other players are far more experienced and better equipped for the job in contest.
People that complaining about elitists and then post a page long thread self serving thread stinking of "I'm above it".

Look, I liked your post, cus it does shine a flashlight on what could be considered indecent behavior. However, I ask you to flip the coin and consider the player that's been spamming the same content hours on end, can do it blind folded, and newby mcnewbington comes along, wants their same role, drop, and party consideration. Exercise some fing empathy and understand that if you don't show them your in it for real, they aren't going to want to spend their time gearing you out. You don't instantly become friends with everyone you work with or meet in casual social situations. You have to earn people's respect/friendship. Incoming south park reference: making friends is a lot like chat roulette. To find some quality friends you have to wade through a lot of dicks.

ilu bro....

[Impulse]

normal MMOs arent full of guilds/clans/whatever that make you have to fill out an app with a million questions, qualifications, and references. they usually have a person recruiting others just to have a fun time. oh, and because the game isn't so dead, we can usually just ask if anyone wants to come to play with us, without having to exclude someone because they dont fit our criteria.

So you're pulling the "but in other MMOs..." card? Sorry to say, but many decent guilds in other actual MMOs will normally have some sort of member screening, let it be via application, in-game interview via tells, progress/gear/performance checks or a member trial period which is doable due to a less restricting member cap and management system, especially for larger guilds.

Here's some differences between this game's LS system and any other MMO's guild system:

Linkshells:

• Can be in multiple LS at a time
• 128 member cap
• No ability to kick offline players for being inactive

Now, because of the limited space and inability to kick people who decide to up and vanish on any given day, some LSes tend to have a simple application or interview process that takes all of a few minutes to complete in order to...

1. Make sure you'll actually be a contributing member of the LS, not someone who is always negative or tosses the pearl on to fill up party slots.
2. Get an idea of whether or not you'll actually be sticking around.

Hitting cap due to inactives and/or officer dodgers (in a less-managed LS) means having to re-shell, which leads to unnecessary headache to both the leaders as well as the members of an organized shell, let alone for a random pickup shell without any form of outside communication. Since I'm in a larger, organized LS which has had to re-shell a number of times since launch, I know how annoying it gets. Sure it's nice to see a huge chunk of your members together that you normally wouldn't, but the fact is that it takes up time that did not need to be taken.

Now, we'll use the evil W as an example for a guild system:

• Can be in 1 guild per character
• 1000 member cap
• Ability to boot offline/inactive members

Real guild systems don't have to deal with the annoyances that we have to. Exponentially higher caps, the ability to boot members whenever the kicker sees fit, and the fact that you are bound to 1 guild and do not have to worry about members hopping between their other groups to fill in slots. Regardless of what you seem to believe, many mid to high-end guilds in other games have some sort of screening process.

Most guilds that take in any member they can pick up are more or less a new community every month with new players joining and others leaving on a constant basis. Having been in more than one of those types in the game that shall not be named, it's a bit depressing coming from XI/XIV to not have a semi-consistent roster.

That being said, linkshells are not designed to be real guild systems and were never intended to be. Not in XI, not in this game with the way Tanaka designed them. That's the role that Free Companies will be taking come 2.0.

[Squiggles]

can we delete like every post up until page 6? 6 and 7 actually had well thought out opinions, and the rest of you on 1-5 should really follow their examples.

[Eliseus]

can we delete like every post up until page 6? 6 and 7 actually had well thought out opinions, and the rest of you on 1-5 should really follow their examples.

Ahh, like to try and dish it out, but can't take it.

[Squiggles]

Ahh, like to try and dish it out, but can't take it.

is there a block feature for this obnoxious dolt?

[Eliseus]

is there a block feature for this obnoxious dolt?

I think you click on my name an can do it or something like that.

Yeah, click on my name, view profile, and add to ignore, but what is the fun in that, I can't show you how wrong you are anymore if you do that

[Dragon]

linkshells. link shells REALLY grind my gears.

Y'know what grinds my gears? Those that have no respect for how people freely associate with themselves, that think they're entitled to another man's labor.

and you wanna know why? because they behave like the antithesis of how the game is designed. they behave like exclusive cliques, and elitist borgeoisie. from mind numbing applications, to tedious interviews, to waiting for an answer like it's the outside of a nightclub, it is incredibly detrimental for a game COMPLETELY designed around the social experience.

And here's why, because people like you act like everyone else's business is something you're entitled to. You don't understand that I have a right to reject you for breathing wrong.

dont get me started on applications, these things are the bane of my existance. why should i have to fill out the equivilant of a resume, and be treated like this linkshell is the combination of my wife and a part time job? my LS history, my dungeon experience, all my classes? why don't you try getting to know me as a person instead and see if my attitude and personality are more in line with ideals of the LS, instead of behaving like i need to have proper qualifications/references to join.

Why should I let you join my linkshell when you refuse to act like you care enough to put effort to a little application? Damn straight I have every right to demand to know your endgame history in the current game, and damn straight I have the right to know what classes/jobs you have leveled, and damn straight I have the right to exclude you for not having the proper qualifications. If you don't like it, go make your own linkshell.

then there are ones only accepting X class, because they need it for their runs. this absolutely reeks of elitist behavior. adaptibility, and enjoyment should be what makes dungeons happen, not whatever makes it "EZ MODE" for the experienced dungeon runner. if there is a dearth in a particular role, improvise and/or train/let someone play a role they can enjoy, while maintaining a quality run, it's far more efficient than excluding the proletariat because they do not have X job or X skill readily at their disposal.

Why should I allow you to roll with me when we have a limited amount of members and we know damn well what we need and you're not it?

lastly, the inner circles of "friends" with the leader are the worst. you know, the leader's sycophantic right hand guy(s) who get first pick on roles in party, or loot? don't tell me it doesn't happen, because it always does. fellow HNMLS or dynamis LS should know what i'm talking about, there is always a favorites played eventually.

I'm someone that prefers a points-based system, but I don't go around bashing linkshells for playing favorites. Know why? I have the ability to not associate with them.

what happens? i get excluded from the lot on the basis "i've wanted it since it came out," "you can't even use it yet," and "it's mostly a drg only helm" by the leader and his ...well might as well be boyfriend. i was literally indignant at such disgusting elitism, (these guys have triple melds, already cap stats to the point they dont need +stat rings, i dont know how it would've helped them in any way) that per usual, the leader and his little boytoy friend got first pick at classes to play, and loot.

Well if you can't use an item with your current jobs and someone else can, they should get it by default. Period.

#1 how do you know someone isnt lying on said applications
#2 why dont you actally take the time to train someone instead if they actually are inexperienced.

1. A good linkshell has enough resources to find out a liar.
2. If you don't have enough experience for what a linkshell wants, that is your problem and not theirs.

i should not have to behave like a link shell needs my devout dedication and a huge list of references and qualifications in order to play the game it was meant to be played... you know, with oher people?

You don't have to, it's called the ability to associate.

[indira]

So anyway, you're basically just whining because good players form up into cliques with other good players and don't want to play with you?

a LS is soposed to be a union of players that help each other, not be dicks and become anti social with there own shell.

[tymora]

1) Start your own shell
2) Accept everyone who wants to join
3) Spend a week or 2 doing end-game events

Then revisit this post and see if applications now makes sense to you.