you know what grinds my gears?

[Squiggles]

Quality endgame linkshells have an application process to help protect themselves from getting bad players with zero experience. It helps them avoid a situation where they have to ruthlessly smash someone's pearl because they suck.
If you can't take a few minutes to present yourself to a linkshell you want to join in the form of an application than why should they want to accept you?

So anyway, you're basically just whining because good players form up into cliques with other good players and don't want to play with you?

We'z r elitists, we'z here 2 ruins all ur funs

#1 how do you know someone isnt lying on said applications
#2 why dont you actally take the time to train someone instead if they actually are inexperienced.

i should not have to behave like a link shell needs my devout dedication and a huge list of references and qualifications in order to play the game it was meant to be played... you know, with oher people?

[CookieBandit]

#1 how do you know someone isnt lying on said applications
#2 why dont you actally take the time to train someone instead if they actually are inexperienced.

i should not have to behave like a link shell needs my devout dedication and a huge list of references and qualifications in order to play the game it was meant to be played... you know, with oher people?

#1: It will show in their skill, and they will be removed if they lied.
#2: It takes a long time to train someone, and most are more than willing to do so, but endgame shells have a standard and it is in no way wrong for them to want to keep their abilities at a certain tier.

You are acting like every linkshell should bow down and be honored to invite you into their shell. Stop it. Life is not some all-inclusive fairytale where everyone holds hands and paint rainbows.

[Squiggles]

#1: It will show in their skill, and they will be removed if they lied.
#2: It takes a long time to train someone, and most are more than willing to do so, but endgame shells have a standard and it is in no way wrong for them to want to keep their abilities at a certain tier.

You are acting like every linkshell should bow down and be honored to invite you into their shell. Stop it. Life is not some all-inclusive fairytale where everyone holds hands and paint rainbows.

oh, so writing an opinionative article makes one a pretentious lout who believes that they should be invited with honors to every shell.

or.. the point flew right over your head, and you felt the need to spew inane patronization at me.

no, the point is, link shells should not be exclusive clubs and or part time jobs. all the hoop jumping and clique-ish behavior is detrimental to new and returning players alike to experiencing content. get over yourself.

[Hiruke]

no, the point is, link shells should not be exclusive clubs and or part time jobs. all the hoop jumping and clique-ish behavior is detrimental to new and returning players alike to experiencing content. get over yourself.

That bolded part? That's exactly what linkshells are.

I agree they (and the game) shouldn't be part-time jobs. But saying you don't want LSes to beg you to join, and saying they shouldn't be exclusive clubs, what are you thinking that you're trying to say here? LSes will only let people join that they want to join. That's the whole point. You don't like how a certain LS runs things? Don't join them. Don't like how any LS runs things? Make your own. Or, whatever. The point is to find or make a group that suits your pace. If your ideas are reasonable, they may pan out. I made my own LS in FF11, because I was sick of groups that played favorites (which, contrary to what you said in the OP, not everyone does - just a heads up). It ended up being successful. Who knew?

Believe it or not, a lot of folks don't want to play with a bunch of randoms who are completely ridiculous. I play with a lot of idiots I get paired up with from shout groups for various events. Should I feel compelled to get them into my LS so they can enjoy all the sweet content? Um, no. I join shout groups when I'm prepared for a terribad experience. I don't need a bunch of idiots ruining my fun time in LS chat whenever I log on. Yeah, that's right. LSes aren't here to serve you, bro. They are groups, with their own agendas. You don't like it? Too bad, I guess. Just because someone has an LS doesn't make it their job to invite everyone on the server, teach them how to play, suffer through their idiocy, etc. You seriously think they should? One can only hope you're trolling us, because the alternative is very depressing indeed.

[Squiggles]

Believe it or not, a lot of folks don't want to play with a bunch of randoms who are completely ridiculous. I play with a lot of idiots I get paired up with from shout groups for various events.

this is 90% of this tiny, underpopulated, self serving community though. i dont get how people are reading into this as "i think i should be accepted anywhere and everywhere because i say so." because that is far from the point.

this is the only series of games (xi included) where members have to jump how high a leader says in order to get any kind of social interaction that i've ever played. and for an incredibly socially based game, it's quite absurd. it's bad enough there isnt some sort of cross server LFG finder for content to get help with fights or dungeons you need/want, the fact i have to kowtow to some ridiculous application process, and regulations just to play a game based off a horrible community hierarchy is ridiculous.

@ eliseus

go back to the class forums where you can post more condescenstion with 0 relevant information.

[Hiruke]

this is 90% of this tiny, underpopulated, self serving community though. i dont get how people are reading into this as "i think i should be accepted anywhere and everywhere because i say so." because that is far from the point.

this is the only series of games (xi included) where members have to jump how high a leader says in order to get any kind of social interaction that i've ever played. and for an incredibly socially based game, it's quite absurd. it's bad enough there isnt some sort of cross server LFG finder for content to get help with fights or dungeons you need/want, the fact i have to kowtow to some ridiculous application process, and regulations just to play a game based off a horrible community hierarchy is ridiculous.

@ eliseus

go back to the class forums where you can post more condescenstion with 0 relevant information.

I guess I'm either not seeing your point, or I disagree with it. Anything you could possibly want to do (other than Garuda), you can fairly easily join or spin up a shout group in Ul'dah for. I sometimes help randoms with their job quests, join random Hamlets or Moogles, whatever.

Also, not every LS has a high bar of entry. Some folks will just give a pearl to whoever! You're most likely to find that with social LSes. Not that there's a huge difference between a social LS and whatever a "hardcore endgame LS" would be right now, since there's zero legitimate content that uses more than a single PT at present.

Another thing! I can't imagine why you're confused that folks would make comments about you wanting every LS to beg you to join, because you explicitly said that you don't think LSes should be exclusive clubs. If LSes aren't exclusive clubs, that means anyone can join, with no bar of entry. Do you not see that?

Btw, regarding your OP and folks only wanting certain classes... There are non-elitist potential reasons for such desires, just so you know. For example, say your LS has 10 people. 5 of them are PLDs, and PLD only. Are you going to invite more PLDs? Probably not. Is it because you're elitist, or because you actually want to be able to do anything and/or because you want 1 or more of these PLDs to ever get to play with you like ever?

[ShivenCasull]

no, the point is, link shells should not be exclusive clubs and or part time jobs. all the hoop jumping and clique-ish behavior is detrimental to new and returning players alike to experiencing content. get over yourself.

Or... you could get over yourself and not expect everyone to bow to your wishes.

Welcome to MMO social skills 101.

Because being kind and socialable will actually net you friends in this game, where being angry about every party/LS that rejects your involvement won't do anything at all.

[CookieBandit]

oh, so writing an opinionative article makes one a pretentious lout who believes that they should be invited with honors to every shell.

or.. the point flew right over your head, and you felt the need to spew inane patronization at me.

no, the point is, link shells should not be exclusive clubs and or part time jobs. all the hoop jumping and clique-ish behavior is detrimental to new and returning players alike to experiencing content. get over yourself.

So then I have to ask, why are you playing a FINAL FANTASY mmorpg?

Edit: Why are you playing ANY mmorpg?

[Dragon]

linkshells. link shells REALLY grind my gears.

Y'know what grinds my gears? Those that have no respect for how people freely associate with themselves, that think they're entitled to another man's labor.

and you wanna know why? because they behave like the antithesis of how the game is designed. they behave like exclusive cliques, and elitist borgeoisie. from mind numbing applications, to tedious interviews, to waiting for an answer like it's the outside of a nightclub, it is incredibly detrimental for a game COMPLETELY designed around the social experience.

And here's why, because people like you act like everyone else's business is something you're entitled to. You don't understand that I have a right to reject you for breathing wrong.

dont get me started on applications, these things are the bane of my existance. why should i have to fill out the equivilant of a resume, and be treated like this linkshell is the combination of my wife and a part time job? my LS history, my dungeon experience, all my classes? why don't you try getting to know me as a person instead and see if my attitude and personality are more in line with ideals of the LS, instead of behaving like i need to have proper qualifications/references to join.

Why should I let you join my linkshell when you refuse to act like you care enough to put effort to a little application? Damn straight I have every right to demand to know your endgame history in the current game, and damn straight I have the right to know what classes/jobs you have leveled, and damn straight I have the right to exclude you for not having the proper qualifications. If you don't like it, go make your own linkshell.

then there are ones only accepting X class, because they need it for their runs. this absolutely reeks of elitist behavior. adaptibility, and enjoyment should be what makes dungeons happen, not whatever makes it "EZ MODE" for the experienced dungeon runner. if there is a dearth in a particular role, improvise and/or train/let someone play a role they can enjoy, while maintaining a quality run, it's far more efficient than excluding the proletariat because they do not have X job or X skill readily at their disposal.

Why should I allow you to roll with me when we have a limited amount of members and we know damn well what we need and you're not it?

lastly, the inner circles of "friends" with the leader are the worst. you know, the leader's sycophantic right hand guy(s) who get first pick on roles in party, or loot? don't tell me it doesn't happen, because it always does. fellow HNMLS or dynamis LS should know what i'm talking about, there is always a favorites played eventually.

I'm someone that prefers a points-based system, but I don't go around bashing linkshells for playing favorites. Know why? I have the ability to not associate with them.

what happens? i get excluded from the lot on the basis "i've wanted it since it came out," "you can't even use it yet," and "it's mostly a drg only helm" by the leader and his ...well might as well be boyfriend. i was literally indignant at such disgusting elitism, (these guys have triple melds, already cap stats to the point they dont need +stat rings, i dont know how it would've helped them in any way) that per usual, the leader and his little boytoy friend got first pick at classes to play, and loot.

Well if you can't use an item with your current jobs and someone else can, they should get it by default. Period.

#1 how do you know someone isnt lying on said applications
#2 why dont you actally take the time to train someone instead if they actually are inexperienced.

1. A good linkshell has enough resources to find out a liar.
2. If you don't have enough experience for what a linkshell wants, that is your problem and not theirs.

i should not have to behave like a link shell needs my devout dedication and a huge list of references and qualifications in order to play the game it was meant to be played... you know, with oher people?

You don't have to, it's called the ability to associate.

[Colino]

#1 how do you know someone isnt lying on said applications
#2 why dont you actally take the time to train someone instead if they actually are inexperienced.

1. That wouldn't take too long to figure out
2. Why should they if they don't want too? I know it's the theoretical utopian thing to do, but we don't live in a fantasy world and people are entitled to play however they want. You'll have to deal with it.

Can't say in all of my time playing MMOs (which amounted to the brazilian RO server and a tiny bit of CoH and then here)

You poor, poor soul. I'm so sorry.