Quest Chaining!? <NO THANKS>

[Andrien]

Because Quest Progressing in most MMOs are horrendously done. Period lol. People were lapping up SWTOR's quest progression like a 20$ hooker, however they then realized how lazy they got with it after the initial quest lines. The main problem with it is not because it hands you xp...it's because in pretty much every MMO that utilize it, it's essentially what we have now in terms of Guildleves.

The story is mediocre or non-existent or poorly presented that you're better off just skipping it and only in it for the exp. (Means to an end.)

The other thing is, a lot of people said SE would do Side-Quests differently from other MMOs since SE tend to focus on story. Yeah the side-quests were more interesting than any other MMOs, however the problem is the game's mechanics didn't allow you to fully enjoy it, as in they were introduced far too late for many people or completely skipped due to powerleveling. (excluding ones that give you decent items like free food now that it has a use)

You said quest progressing in most MMOs are horrendously done. In other words that means some are actually good.

Now the main quest hub we have now is not quest chaining obviously because Rokien likes it. This is just endless repeatable quest that you can redo any number of times versus quest progression like what you'll see in any other console final fantasy title.

The fact of the matter is, nobody really reads the guild leve quest tags anyways, they just head out and start killing before the timer is up. In the other hand you're questing a series of quest that will set you out on an adventure, or maybe even build your fame and make a name of yourself in a small town. Bottom line is quest progression is always different, and should always guide you to new content.

btw I like both because I like options. If you generally disagree with me then I give up trying to understand both you and rokien. lol

[Rokien]

FFXI was essentially an Everquest clone, just with FF characteristics. Not saying that this game should be a WoW clone, nor that I am for it, but it really doesn't need to take ideas solely from FFXI. We're getting things like HNMs and open world primals, which is fine honestly.

Also, Rokien knows full well why people react the way they do. He's got the most absurd threads, and plenty of them.

I really don't see how this is an absurd thread of any sort. It's a legitimate concern.

[Brannigan]

Your first 50 will likely be done by following the main story/sidequest chains with some "grinding" (basically there are unrelated monsters in your way so you kill them) on the way. After that I imagine it'll be a lot like it is now with leves/behests/parties. As long as they at least try to have quality over quantity for their leveling quests then it'll be okay. If it's just WoW style "Hail adventurer! Blah blah blah bring me 10 bear asses" then it'll actually kind of suck. Yoshida's team hasn't really messed up that badly though other than a couple things so I'm not too worried about that.

[Ruisu]

I really don't see how this is an absurd thread of any sort. It's a legitimate concern.

It's not just this.

Instances, content finder, etc. You've gone off on every single topic, only to be proven wrong by Yoshida's intentions.

[Rokien]

Actions speak louder than words.

Which are all the forums consist of(words)....... come on now.

[Rokien]

It's not just this.

Instances, content finder, etc. You've gone off on every single topic, only to be proven wrong by Yoshida's intentions.

If anything yoshi is only proving me right on all these occasions.

I've also said many times we don't know how 2.0 is going to roll out, that's why I'm still here. i'll check out 2.0 if it's how i think its going to be I'll leave.

[Andrien]

I really don't see how this is an absurd thread of any sort. It's a legitimate concern.

you're just over paranoid. you should practice the wait and see tactic more.

[Rokien]

you're just over paranoid. you should practice the wait and see tactic more.

Ya, I am. I don't think that's a bad thing though. I really want this game to be good, and I really want to like it when it's done.

[Ruisu]

If anything yoshi is only proving me right on all these occasions

But that's wrong. You said that instancing would ruin the entire game, and we're getting HNMs in the open world.

You've also stated that content finder will ruin the community (lol), and Yoshida advised that Content Finder is only for casual players, while hard mode runs will be for tight knit linkshells, etc.

[Elexia]

You said quest progressing in most MMOs are horrendously done. In other words that means some are actually good.

That's the thing, this depends on what you personally find good, since the ones that did it well did a good job with pushing you through your paces, but the presentation is what's universally bad and why I said if people are honestly expecting them to do anything even remotely as good as main scenario or GC for something like this..they're only setting themselves up for disappointment.

FFXI did it very well, but not in the same regard that it gives you exp and money for doing it, you mostly did it because it pushed you out the door to explore unknown places and gave you cute stories or deep lore. People are much more likely to remember things like the Star Onion Brigade in terms of random quests you can do than the ones that send you out to kill 10 dodos. In XIV you're penalized for exploring mostly due to the poor attribute system. No reason a level 80 monster should hit a level 50 player for 3x their max HP.

btw I like both because I like options.

Having options is indeed good, the issue generally is the implementation of said options and the way the community acts, because like in my Example, for some reason what once was the preferred setup for Ifrit (Stack Lancers) suddenly became "DRG and LNC are worthelss for the fight"..this community in particular seems to handle options in a weird manner lol.