Relic Weapon Revival (06/06/2012)

[Zantetsuken]

True Diablo 3 is way better, what with its incredibly skill based gameplay, and excellent drop rates, and further purpose besides grinding the same thing over and over.

Not sure if serious...

[Firon]

Yeah, nah.

I would rather take a rusty wear worn industrial gauge Philips screwdriver and insert it directly into the shaft of my penis. Thrust inwards to the hilt so at to reach my bladder, then twist with enthusiasm in a clockwise rotation then do 1 more godamn MINUTE of Hamlet defense.

LOL
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[prymortal]

I barely have the motivation to log on anymore. Actually, I have only logged on in the past three weeks when the Diablo3 servers are down for maintenance.

As far as Hamlet Defense and Relic weapons are concerned: the means by which you obtain the prerequesite for relic quests is an obvious attempt at forcing players to grind through a much anticipated and unfortunately detested instance by which i mean Hamlet Defense.

Due to the low drop rate of militia gear for any non top 20 suppliers and the difficulty of increasing the rank, most players had given up on Hamlet Defense less than a month after implementation. It just seems like SE forced a hamlet grind fest as prerequesite to relic weapons to prevent wasting what may be a lot of time and money on an undesirable event.

Which only reinforces the disgust. Then again, this is just my opinion and it's not worth more than 2 gil if you ask me.

What drop rate? u mean these things actuly drop stuff? oh no nevermind finaly got a decent item 8 kills & 1hour 30mins later.....

[Zezlar]

The drop rate isn't as low as a lot of you think it is. Our group has done it close to 300x and it's about a 28% drop rate. True, it's very boring after awhile but it's not too horrible. You've put in more time at Ifrit/Moogle.

[Galliano]

True Diablo 3 is way better, what with its incredibly skill based gameplay, and excellent drop rates, and further purpose besides grinding the same thing over and over.

Lol "skill based gameplay".

[Firon]

The drop rate isn't as low as a lot of you think it is. Our group has done it close to 300x and it's about a 28% drop rate. True, it's very boring after awhile but it's not too horrible. You've put in more time at Ifrit/Moogle.

thats 300 to many times for my liking. If they would have simply rewarded you with points for every victory and let you use said points to buy gear coins etc would have been fine. This is why no one does pick up groups for Raids hardly cause of the random drop rates. The dev team always seems to think everyone has 7 other friends 100% of the time to do content with.

[Matsume]

True Diablo 3 is way better, what with its incredibly skill based gameplay, and excellent drop rates, and further purpose besides grinding the same thing over and over.

I detect a hint of sarcasm in your post, but i'm giong to pretend you're being serious.

Blizzard Entertainment's Diablo III is now the fastest-selling PC game of all time, with more than 3.5 million copies during its first day on sale last week, and 6.3 million copies sold so far in total.

Need I say more? Honestly this wasn't meant to be a plug for D3, it was just a transitory ntroduction to explain how i feel about FFXIV and you are making a big stink about it?

Lets break down what you said though, just so we are on the same page (assuming you are being sarcastic and mean the opposite of what you wrote: diablo 3 requires no skill, has horrible drop rate, and requires constant grinding. This is different from FFXIV how? Oh...right, no monthly fee and 6+ million player base in one week. One more thing, most of the content can be completed solo.

The people have spoken.

However, that's not at all what my post was about. My post was directed at the fact that no one wants to do Hamlet Defense for obvious design flaws so SE slaps on grinding hamlet defense as a prerequisite to legendary/relic weapons. This is supposed to make people want to play hamlet defense? Judging by the responses in this thread, I think not. In fact, I think it will make players even more reluctant and spiteful of Hamlet Defense.

[Matsume]

The drop rate isn't as low as a lot of you think it is. Our group has done it close to 300x and it's about a 28% drop rate. True, it's very boring after awhile but it's not too horrible. You've put in more time at Ifrit/Moogle.

How is this drop rate calculated? Is this 28% directed at the beastmen seal or the militia gear? Furthermore, are you saying that 28 total items have dropped after 100 attempts? Or that every player in the party got 28 items EACH after 100 attempts?

If the former is true, then you would need to multiply the chest x8 players which would give 28 items out of 800 chests (not counting top 20 suppliers) for a drop rate of 0.035%. If the latter is true, then you must be on to something or SE upped the drop rate cause i have not heard of anyone getting such a high militia gear drop rate in the other HD threads i've read.

As for putting more time into moogle/ifrit, i got an ifrit weapon every 10 kills and only 3 duplicates (i know others have had worse luck) so in all i did less than 100 ifrit kills to obtain 7/7. Moogle on the other hand i got my mogwand on first kill and haven't done more since then (just bored of it). Let's not even talk about garuda.

The problem though is, as you say, boring. Never in FFXI was i bored of camping an NM or fighting BNCM etc. Why do I and others feel completely uninterested in primal / hamlet defense/ CC/AV runs?

[DarthTaru]

Drop rate on seals isn't bad. We've found they drop often over the 60K points mark but that may be coincidence and unrelated. An organized linkshell should be able to produce the seals to get one to two players an AF weapon per week (three days of Hamlet) with a little effort and planning.

[Zezlar]

How is this drop rate calculated? Is this 28% directed at the beastmen seal or the militia gear? Furthermore, are you saying that 28 total items have dropped after 100 attempts? Or that every player in the party got 28 items EACH after 100 attempts?

If the former is true, then you would need to multiply the chest x8 players which would give 28 items out of 800 chests (not counting top 20 suppliers) for a drop rate of 0.035%. If the latter is true, then you must be on to something or SE upped the drop rate cause i have not heard of anyone getting such a high militia gear drop rate in the other HD threads i've read.

As for putting more time into moogle/ifrit, i got an ifrit weapon every 10 kills and only 3 duplicates (i know others have had worse luck) so in all i did less than 100 ifrit kills to obtain 7/7. Moogle on the other hand i got my mogwand on first kill and haven't done more since then (just bored of it). Let's not even talk about garuda.

The problem though is, as you say, boring. Never in FFXI was i bored of camping an NM or fighting BNCM etc. Why do I and others feel completely uninterested in primal / hamlet defense/ CC/AV runs?

Roughly 93 seals dropped from the chest in 278 total runs. Total of 7 people (including myself) who have the promissory note, with others to finish shortly. All in all it is a poorly implemented system that could have been done better, but i've heard horror stories from Ifrit that have been much worse. I know a lot of people will disagree with me on this last point but Relic weapons shouldn't be obtainable by everyone similarly to how Relics/Mythics worked in XI. It will take a very long time and a great deal of patience to sit through this.

If people are confused on how to get the gold chest our good friend lux posted a video guide here on the forums to help encourage those who may want seals.