No trailer at E3 LOL @ SE

[Lux_Rayna]

There's other reasons too. Most people don't bother and assume everyone is on one side which is "GIMME GIMME I WANTZ NOWW" and the other side is "I FULLY SUPPORT DERE DECISIONS FROM MARKETING STANDPOINT." And then you have all the assumptions. People just assume everything is the way they think it is "Oh trailer automatically means cgi trailer. There's never been gameplay footage in it." and on the other side people are expecting gameplay footage. No one really knows anything about it. I wish people would stop assuming either way. e3 is a big event regardless what anyone says. And they will loose future customers because of that. I want this game to thrive more than anything. I just hope it was really was a good choice they made.

Also, to people complaining about people complaining about the trailer. You're whining as well.

Yes, but im not whining from a point of extreme ignorance/lack of common sense/insert insult here. There's nothing wrong with complaining. There *is* something wrong with complaining about something that you don't even comprehend. The least ppl could do with their complaints is exercise common sense. I'm *all* for complaining, but let's at least pretend to have brain cells when we do it yeah? The complaints in the thread are just retarded, especially considering a trailer without information was *not* going to do *anything* to drum up any sort of mass interest. From a marketing perspective, all it would've been to gamers was a fail game with a new trailer. And anyone with a shred of common sense could see that, but all the community is good for these days is face-rolling drivel on their keyboards.

It has nothing to do about whining, its all about complaining while using some brain matter. I mean cmon, you have to see these ludicrous conclusions are just that...ludicrous.

[darkstarpoet1]

Yes, but im not whining from a point of extreme ignorance/lack of common sense/insert insult here. There's nothing wrong with complaining. There *is* something wrong with complaining about something that you don't even comprehend. The least ppl could do with their complaints is exercise common sense. I'm *all* for complaining, but let's at least pretend to have brain cells when we do it yeah? The complaints in the thread are just retarded, especially considering a trailer without information was *not* going to do *anything* to drum up any sort of mass interest. From a marketing perspective, all it would've been to gamers was a fail game with a new trailer. And anyone with a shred of common sense could see that, but all the community is good for these days is face-rolling drivel on their keyboards.

It has nothing to do about whining, its all about complaining while using some brain matter. I mean cmon, you have to see these ludicrous conclusions are just that...ludicrous.

you also have to be smart enough to use brain cells and realize that if the game is supposed to release in just a few short months they should have at least something that people can put their hands on. if they don't have something that they could have made a hands on demo for at least the console version for e3 you should really start to question if the game will actually be even close to ready by the time the release date comes up.

you also have to realize that e3 is the largest show for the na players and it is also the spot that specializes in consoles. i would have thought they would have been prepared since release is in oct/nov, but undoubtedly not.

[Starlord]

you also have to be smart enough to use brain cells and realize that if the game is supposed to release in just a few short months they should have at least something that people can put their hands on. if they don't have something that they could have made a hands on demo for at least the console version for e3 you should really start to question if the game will actually be even close to ready by the time the release date comes up.

you also have to realize that e3 is the largest show for the na players and it is also the spot that specializes in consoles. i would have thought they would have been prepared since release is in oct/nov, but undoubtedly not.

You also have to realize that there's a lot of things @ E3 that will topple FFXIV and won't stand a chance there.. Esp. with Wii U Taking the spotlight. Esp when FFXIV is already failed MMO, they need to "Wait for the right moment to strike" E3 is just not one of them.. doing it Just prior to 2.0 Beta ( Gamescom and Penny Arcade) is the perfect time to strike.

E3 is going to blow me away with these games:

- Nintendo Wii U
- Assassins Creed III
- Resident Evil 6

No one is going to bother with FFXIV a Failed MMO @ E3 when there are better things to look at.

[darkstarpoet1]

You also have to realize that there's a lot of things @ E3 that will topple FFXIV and won't stand a chance there.. Esp. with Wii U Taking the spotlight. Esp when FFXIV is already failed MMO, they need to "Wait for the right moment to strike" E3 is just not one of them.. doing it Just prior to 2.0 Beta ( Gamescom and Penny Arcade) is the perfect time to strike.

E3 is going to blow me away with these games:

- Nintendo Wii U
- Assassins Creed III
- Resident Evil 6

No one is going to bother with FFXIV a Failed MMO @ E3 when there are better things to look at.

yes, you are correct. you must also realize that those games that will be blowing people away at e3 while that "failed game" is showing nothing is creating a buzz for those games. when se does start their massive promotion they not only have to make up for the original release and the bad press it has already gotten, but now they also have to play catchup to the buzz surrounding the games that were shown at e3 that blows it out the water.

now look at your own statement and word it just a little difference
"No one is going to bother with FFXIV a Failed MMO @ E3 when there are better things to look at."
no one is going to bother with FFXIV a Failed MMO after E3 when there are better things people are already looking at.

[TheVedis]

yes, you are correct. you must also realize that those games that will be blowing people away at e3 while that "failed game" is showing nothing is creating a buzz for those games. when se does start their massive promotion they not only have to make up for the original release and the bad press it has already gotten, but now they also have to play catchup to the buzz surrounding the games that were shown at e3 that blows it out the water.

now look at your own statement and word it just a little difference
"No one is going to bother with FFXIV a Failed MMO @ E3 when there are better things to look at."
no one is going to bother with FFXIV a Failed MMO after E3 when there are better things people are already looking at.

the more i read from you and a few others the more i realize people really dont know what e3 is really about


there are 2 things people expect at e3 and look for

1) new unexpected released, these only really happen during the main press conferences
2) games that they have already been following that have not yet been released that they are waiting on

going off of this, you can pretty much guarentee 14 wasnt going to be in a press conference, so that rules that out, and as for #2, we are alreayd released, so giving people an "update" on a released game is pretty pointless. it would be the equivilent of blizzard going there to advertise warcraft, it wont do anything for them

also given the history of MMOs at e3, its also a bad time for it, usualy most mmos give absolutely no or little info at e3 cuz its not the time for them to shine. in the past, all you ever really see for them are trailers, inside the main conferences(again proving point #1 above)


ive been a hardcore following of e3 for years, and this has pretty much held true every year so far as ive been watching it and see what gets covered and what they actualy show.

[Rustyhagun]

You also have to realize that there's a lot of things @ E3 that will topple FFXIV and won't stand a chance there.. Esp. with Wii U Taking the spotlight. Esp when FFXIV is already failed MMO, they need to "Wait for the right moment to strike" E3 is just not one of them.. doing it Just prior to 2.0 Beta ( Gamescom and Penny Arcade) is the perfect time to strike.

E3 is going to blow me away with these games:

- Nintendo Wii U
- Assassins Creed III
- Resident Evil 6

No one is going to bother with FFXIV a Failed MMO @ E3 when there are better things to look at.

Well that is you and a few others maybe. But any FF fan and avid mmo player that has stuck by FFXIV, played since release, will say... FFXIV is be the most anticipated event showing at E3, at least for me it is. I don't even play consoles that much anymore, and FF is my favorite series, DMC and RE are great as well. But I'm hooked playing an FF mmo, that's true to its roots, live, with other players. And I hope 2.0 is gonna be the 'mmo beast' I think its gonna be.

There is no way Yoshi and the team can make FFXIV worse than it was, and its an ok, fun game to play now. 2.0 can on shine in my eyes.

Maybe the trailer will be attached to the new web site for everyone to see, followed by t.v./internet ad's. I also think there are spoilers attached too the trailer, and us seeing it now before 2.0 firsts patch would ruin it for us.

[Starlord]

Well that is you and a few others maybe. But any FF fan and avid mmo player that has stuck by FFXIV, played since release, will say... FFXIV is be the most anticipated event showing at E3, at least for me it is. I don't even play consoles that much anymore, and FF is my favorite series, DMC and RE are great as well. But I'm hooked playing an FF mmo, that's true to its roots, live, with other players. And I hope 2.0 is gonna be the 'mmo beast' I think its gonna be.

There is no way Yoshi and the team can make FFXIV worse than it was, and its an ok, fun game to play now. 2.0 can on shine in my eyes.

Maybe the trailer will be attached to the new web site for everyone to see, followed by t.v./internet ad's. I also think there are spoilers attached too the trailer, and us seeing it now before 2.0 firsts patch would ruin it for us.

I want to see FFXIV there as well.. I was mere pointing out that the people that left for a long time How is Yoshi-P and Team going to get the players lost, to believe their game is great if they only show a little information. Yoshi-P has to Prove to the players that FFXIV is not a bad game anymore. We know its not a bad game anymore. They need actual Proof, if they go in there with little info.. then they are just going to say whatever and walk away from it.

That's why Yoshi-p said "Better we flood them with information then trickle". and they have the right idea. "flood them with information with 1 month till beta" it does build hype when people know close to its release date or beta.

[Nullie]

Yes, but im not whining from a point of extreme ignorance/lack of common sense/insert insult here. There's nothing wrong with complaining. There *is* something wrong with complaining about something that you don't even comprehend. The least ppl could do with their complaints is exercise common sense. I'm *all* for complaining, but let's at least pretend to have brain cells when we do it yeah? The complaints in the thread are just retarded, especially considering a trailer without information was *not* going to do *anything* to drum up any sort of mass interest. From a marketing perspective, all it would've been to gamers was a fail game with a new trailer. And anyone with a shred of common sense could see that, but all the community is good for these days is face-rolling drivel on their keyboards.

It has nothing to do about whining, its all about complaining while using some brain matter. I mean cmon, you have to see these ludicrous conclusions are just that...ludicrous.

You know...how does a CGI trailer change anyone's opinion about FFXIV again? Cuz the summary of the thread is: No trailer at E3 = FFXIV 2.0 fail. So my question is, how does a CGI trailer reflect *anything* about the game/gameplay/quality at all? Last I checked, a CGI trailer was just that...CGI. And last I checked, we don't play the game in CGI soooo >_> wth are you guys whining about. A trailer at E3 wasn't going to do shit, especially without a lot of information behind it

You use this. Yes, but im not whining from a point of extreme ignorance/lack of common sense/insert insult here" and then you say that it is a CGI trailer which you haven't a clue whether or not (ignorance) there is any gameplay in it. And all it comes down to is ignorance. I won't even bother.

"Yes, but im not whining from a" You say it best yourself. You're whining. Doesn't matter. Your whining = other peoples whining = whining = whining.

[Lux_Rayna]

You use this. Yes, but im not whining from a point of extreme ignorance/lack of common sense/insert insult here" and then you say that it is a CGI trailer which you haven't a clue whether or not (ignorance) there is any gameplay in it. And all it comes down to is ignorance. I won't even bother.

"Yes, but im not whining from a" You say it best yourself. You're whining. Doesn't matter. Your whining = other peoples whining = whining = whining.

But I'm not whining about the CGI trailer I know nothing about, ergo, I'm not whining from a point of ignorance. I'm whining about other ppl's whining, which is fully informed by all of their complaints in this thread I am reading, ergo, it is not from a point of ignorance. It is also fully informed by the producer letter, as well as knowledge of other avenues of PR/hype, ergo, it is not from a point of ignorance. Idk if you get it yet, but read it 2 or 3 more times and I'm sure itll click. Seriously, why make me waste my time on something so dumb. I mean that was a serious fail attempt at trying to use my words against me. It didn't work at all, and it is plainly obvious you tried way too hard. The trick is to not "force" contradictions where they don't exist, and to make it more or less effortless. I fully admitted to whining, but im not being stupid about it. And if you can't honestly see the difference between the two that is a personal matter. I dont know if you were trying to troll or what but that was just silliness. My argument was not about whining, it was about not being stupid about what you're whining about.

You could've spared me the pain and just used to the last 3 sentences, the ones that make sense. In which case I will reiterate, again, that there is a difference between whining out of ignorance/lack of forethought, or whining after doing some critical thinking. The latter complains for valid reasons, the former complains about the wrong things. If you're going to whine, then whine about not seeing a trailer that you wanted see. Don't whine about how SE is gonna fail, and they messed up, because that is just stupid. I can't stress how stupid that is. And I'm sure you can see how utterly stupid it is, so I have nooooo idea why you even started arguing with me. All im sayin is, there's a difference. And there is. If you say "lol doesn't matter" fine, but don't make me read all the crap beforehand. Seriously.

[Kiroh]

Yes, but im not whining from a point of extreme ignorance/lack of common sense/insert insult here. There's nothing wrong with complaining. There *is* something wrong with complaining about something that you don't even comprehend. The least ppl could do with their complaints is exercise common sense. I'm *all* for complaining, but let's at least pretend to have brain cells when we do it yeah? The complaints in the thread are just retarded, especially considering a trailer without information was *not* going to do *anything* to drum up any sort of mass interest. From a marketing perspective, all it would've been to gamers was a fail game with a new trailer. And anyone with a shred of common sense could see that, but all the community is good for these days is face-rolling drivel on their keyboards.

It has nothing to do about whining, its all about complaining while using some brain matter. I mean cmon, you have to see these ludicrous conclusions are just that...ludicrous.

Oh look a post whining about whining filled with assumption, supposition and personal opinions and sprinkled with insults throughout. But then this is par for the course considering the poster...

(Also, assuming you know anything about what SE has and has not prepared to show for 2.0 and then telling others they don't comprehend something is hilarious. Do go on about how you have this insider info about SE only having a CGI promo ready.)