The Problem(s) with Paladin

[Zantetsuken]

Actually that is true, in a standalone solo setting the numbers turn out in favor of PLD on the account they can sustain the damage and are given a length of time to actually do damage in return. In a party setting however if a mob dies overall faster with one person taking the brunt of the damage the damage built up from the fight wouldn't amount to as much. .

Except you aren't taking into account that the PLD can work with one WHM and a BRD, where a WAR typically needs 2x WHM.

PLD+BRD+WHM is putting out decent DPS, as to whether or not it beats out the WAR+ WHM+WHM is up to the players and situation, but I think it likely does.

I'd actually like to do some Ifrit testing with this approach (same PTs, all members in AF, etc).. My guess is that all other things being equal, the PLD will have the edge.

One last thing: Speed runs usually means DD are running hot on enmity (which PLD controls better than WAR now).. So you run the risk of higher deaths which in turn results in slower runs at best and losses at worst. Its another thing to factor in.

Test first, QQ later.

[Eagleheart]

Except you aren't taking into account that the PLD can work with one WHM and a BRD, where a WAR typically needs 2x WHM.

PLD+BRD+WHM is putting out decent DPS, as to whether or not it beats out the WAR+ WHM+WHM is up to the players and situation, but I think it likely does.

I'd actually like to do some Ifrit testing with this approach (same PTs, all members in AF, etc).. My guess is that all other things being equal, the PLD will have the edge.

One last thing: Speed runs usually means DD are running hot on enmity (which PLD controls better than WAR now).. So you run the risk of higher deaths which in turn results in slower runs at best and losses at worst. Its another thing to factor in.

Test first, QQ later.

Please refrain from baiting other posters. I would like to keep the thread as polite as possible.

With that said, I will look you up tonight for an Ifrit run. I am curious as to why you want everyone to wear full AF, though. What does it matter what the DD's gear is, so long as it is the same for both Paladin and Warrior's attempts?

Also, I still have not seen an answer regarding WHM quantity between the two tanks.

[Zumi]

Except you aren't taking into account that the PLD can work with one WHM and a BRD, where a WAR typically needs 2x WHM.

PLD+BRD+WHM is putting out decent DPS, as to whether or not it beats out the WAR+ WHM+WHM is up to the players and situation, but I think it likely does.

I'd actually like to do some Ifrit testing with this approach (same PTs, all members in AF, etc).. My guess is that all other things being equal, the PLD will have the edge.

One last thing: Speed runs usually means DD are running hot on enmity (which PLD controls better than WAR now).. So you run the risk of higher deaths which in turn results in slower runs at best and losses at worst. Its another thing to factor in.

Test first, QQ later.

The tank isn't the only one taking damage. You still need 2 whms to take care of the other people taking damage. Those people who eat flares on the mog fight, people who get hit by cracks on ifrit and die. 2 Regens for running through AV.

[Eagleheart]

The tank isn't the only one taking damage. You still need 2 whms to take care of the other people taking damage. Those people who eat flares on the mog fight, people who get hit by cracks on ifrit and die. 2 Regens for running through AV.

That is precisely the issue here. (o.0 ) Well said.