job balancing discussion (1.22a-hotfix)

[Colino]

Clearly, you don't know what you're talking about. BRD is essential to any group with a mage, which in my estimation, is ALL of them.

Try a mage burn with no BRD and let me know how far you get.

I said their DPS is overlooked (or underestimated), not their usefulness as buffers.

But it's cool to say "you don't know what you're talking about" cus it makes you sound real smart.

[Molly_Millions]

I said their DPS is overlooked (or underestimated), not their usefulness as buffers.

But it's cool to say "you don't know what you're talking about" cus it makes you sound real smart.

You said their lower DPS makes them not useful, which is completely untrue because they are incredibly useful regardless of their DPS. They could have lower DPS than PLD and BLM burn parties would still need them.

in case you forgot:

I really don't see the point of the BRD change. The class is already overlooked by many groups because it doesn't generate enough DPS to be useful, why reduce it even more?

Last time I checked, stacking BLM/BRD is most used setup for pretty much all end game content. Therefore the part I put in bold is 100% incorrect.

Insane DPS is not your duty as BRD and it never will be.

[Colino]

Insane DPS is not your duty as BRD and it never will be.

I never said it is. I said their DPS is not important/useful enough, which means the nerf is unnecessary.

I'm NOT saying the bard SHOULD be doing DPS, they DON'T which is why the nerf is a tad unneccessary. I think I phrased it properly this time. Please ask me again if I didn't.

[Molly_Millions]

I never said it is. I said their DPS is not important/useful enough, which means the nerf is unnecessary.

I'm NOT saying the bard SHOULD be doing DPS, they DON'T which is why the nerf is a tad unneccessary. I think I phrased it properly this time. Please ask me again if I didn't.

I don't see the problem then. They got a small nerf in an area in which they are not meant to be strong in the first place which doesn't reduce their usefulness at all. ARC is DD, BRD is a support role.

[Kaith]

I don't see the problem then. They got a small nerf in an area in which they are not meant to be strong in the first place which doesn't reduce their usefulness at all. ARC is DD, BRD is a support role.

The problem is why bother nerfing it at all? They already shoehorned ARC's into being a support role when people levelled it to be a DD. And now they are taking away more of its DD'ing capabilities. If everybody just shrugs their shoulders and says nothing then it's probably more likely to happen again in future.

And yes it will come across as whiny and butthurt from a lot of ARC/BRD's. However, I'm willing to wager that if another job had its fundamental role completely changed and then had its original role stripped away from it, that class would QQ just the same. Obviously that did not all happen last night, it was just a continuation.

And like you said BRD is support, ARC is a DD. Did ARC as a DD need a nerf because it was overpowered? No, it did not. It was bottom/lower tier before yesterdays update and now it is even worse off as it got nerfed whilst other DD jobs got buffs. If they had made it only applicable to BRD or given some ARC exclusive ability to make up for it then fair enough but they didn't. It was a flat out nerf.

[Molly_Millions]

The problem is why bother nerfing it at all? They already shoehorned ARC's into being a support role when people levelled it to be a DD. And now they are taking away more of its DD'ing capabilities. If everybody just shrugs their shoulders and says nothing then it's probably more likely to happen again in future.

And yes it will come across as whiny and butthurt from a lot of ARC/BRD's. However, I'm willing to wager that if another job had its fundamental role completely changed and then had its original role stripped away from it, that class would QQ just the same. Obviously that did not all happen last night, it was just a continuation.

And like you said BRD is support, ARC is a DD. Did ARC as a DD need a nerf because it was overpowered? No, it did not. It was bottom/lower tier before yesterdays update and now it is even worse off as it got nerfed whilst other DD jobs got buffs. If they had made it only applicable to BRD or given some ARC exclusive ability to make up for it then fair enough but they didn't. It was a flat out nerf.

Every class/job got some sort of adjustment. That's what happens when things get balanced properly. Cry me a river.

[Kaith]

Every class/job got some sort of adjustment. That's what happens when things get balanced properly. Cry me a river.

None of them had their fundamental role changed as much as ARC did. Yes ARC was overpowered in the past but it certainly isn't now and didn't need a nerf yesterday.