Forked Tower: Blood Needs A Normal Mode

[Khryseis_Astra]

The 3-rez limit shouldnt be a problem since you could, like, practice the fight and try to not die the next time you alive, but the rest is not the game fault, its basic human behaviour and is expected to get mistake (and thats okay!)

As I’ve said before, I learn by repetition. Three strikes and I’m out, I can’t practice. Wipe mechs get triggered, I can’t practice. I’d be lucky if I remember what I’m supposed to do by the next time I can get a new run scheduled, and I’m not learning anything while I’m on the floor. It’s not like an Ex trial where you wipe, you just try again with another pull til you get it right. It’s an entire dungeon, where not only do you have to hope that you yourself do everything exactly right the whole way through, but 47 other people! If some people find that kind of “challenge” appealing, more power to them, but I certainly don’t. It’s part of what made CAR so annoying and I don’t want to go through that again with double the amount of people!

The only fault here was not creating a Normal mode and going backwards to BA, after we had CLL, Dalriada, and the DRN/DRS split.

At any rate, my comments were in response to someone who said it would be easier later on because we’d be getting new phantom jobs, which isn’t really the case.

[Supersnow845]

New phantom jobs have the potential to make certain aspects easier

Like if a job had thief’s utility and oracles damage it would objectively make forked easier, it’s just the things that make it easier are not the things you wipe to

They intentionally future proofed it by not making dead stars killable till they combine

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At any rate, my comments were in response to someone who said it would be easier later on because we’d be getting new phantom jobs, which isn’t really the case.

every player in there gets a +16% dmg/heal buff later on + the new job abilities + new/better gear. It WILL become easier in future
Also what stops you from watching a guide? The mechs in there arent rocket science and if you go with one of the many discords, you always will have callouts that literally tell you what to do for every mech. 3rd boss you can just autofollow your partylead and clear it.

Sure its frustrating if someone steps into a big trap and blows up the whole raid, but that thrill is part of the fun, being careful and responsible for what you are doing in there

[Aviatorhead]

Sure its frustrating if someone steps into a big trap and blows up the whole raid, but that thrill is part of the fun, being careful and responsible for what you are doing in there

That thrill is anti fun to some people. I do not like the prospect of killing everyone with 1 mistake, I do not like the reverse of having to trust 40+ people to do their job right. I tried that in chaotic, the only thing I walked away with is feeling like I wasted my time.

(Completely fine that you like it, not tryna bash that)

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That thrill is anti fun to some people. I do not like the prospect of killing everyone with 1 mistake, I do not like the reverse of having to trust 40+ people to do their job right. I tried that in chaotic, the only thing I walked away with is feeling like I wasted my time.

(Completely fine that you like it, not tryna bash that)

if you enjoy antifun content, then just do anything else in this game. Theme park.. you know? Visit the attractions that you like and stop complaining about everything else, that others might enjoy

[Khryseis_Astra]

That thrill is anti fun to some people. I do not like the prospect of killing everyone with 1 mistake, I do not like the reverse of having to trust 40+ people to do their job right. I tried that in chaotic, the only thing I walked away with is feeling like I wasted my time.

(Completely fine that you like it, not tryna bash that)

Chaotic felt like a definite slog, and I had up until that point never seen people in this game be so toxic. To the point where I can’t even bring myself to take my other characters through it. Forked Tower gives me similar vibes, with twice the room for error, and if I ever do it in its current state it will only be once.

if you enjoy antifun content, then just do anything else in this game. Theme park.. you know? Visit the attractions that you like and stop complaining about everything else, that others might enjoy

As I’ve stated multiple times, my goal here is NOT to have the existing Tower nerfed. It should exist for people that prefer that kind of challenge. But it was wrong to not provide a Normal mode for everyone else, especially when this is one of the most popular forms of content for casuals, and they have every right to complain about it. Current Tower should be labeled Savage and get a direct queue, Normal should use the in-zone entry where it makes more sense, and provide more replayability to get the non-mount rewards.

[Aviatorhead]

if you enjoy antifun content, then just do anything else in this game. Theme park.. you know? Visit the attractions that you like and stop complaining about everything else, that others might enjoy

I am gonna complain actually, you aren't the arbiter of what gets talked about. Just because you liked the raid doesn't mean it's perfect and doesn't deserve critcism/I shouldn't talk about why I disliked it.

[Raikai]

Chaotic felt like a definite slog, and I had up until that point never seen people in this game be so toxic. To the point where I can’t even bring myself to take my other characters through it. Forked Tower gives me similar vibes, with twice the room for error, and if I ever do it in its current state it will only be once.



As I’ve stated multiple times, my goal here is NOT to have the existing Tower nerfed. It should exist for people that prefer that kind of challenge. But it was wrong to not provide a Normal mode for everyone else, especially when this is one of the most popular forms of content for casuals, and they have every right to complain about it. Current Tower should be labeled Savage and get a direct queue, Normal should use the in-zone entry where it makes more sense, and provide more replayability to get the non-mount rewards.

Honestly, in hindsight, Bozja's raids weren't even that easy. It takes a good while to get mechs right and even when you did so, many of them were more reaction based than puzzle... A ton of people used to mop the floors left and right. I personally think it was just the sweet spot between normal mode and high end.

[Khryseis_Astra]

Honestly, in hindsight, Bozja's raids weren't even that easy. It takes a good while to get mechs right and even when you did so, many of them were more reaction based than puzzle... A ton of people used to mop the floors left and right. I personally think it was just the sweet spot between normal mode and high end.

Exactly… raising your mettle helped, certain actions could make certain parts easier, and in general just learning the mechs over time without getting kicked out if you failed. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t punishingly hard either. That’s what I think a Normal mode of the Tower should be.

[Emitans]

People keep mentioning the passive buff from leveling phantom jobs but I can't see myself grinding out many more than the 2-4 I already have because the entire zone feels pointless if FT is inaccessible. I'm not going to spend dozens of hours grinding phantom jobs so I can maybe attempt their stupidly designed dungeon.