Job feedback [pre-8.0 megathread]

[0blivion]

Physical ranged: Partial rework.
First off, the DMG values are entirely off. It should be MCH > BRD > DNC. It's dumb that MCH, a job that brings no utility whatsoever, is the worst DPS.

BRD: Dot spread? I am begging you? Multi-dotting is a DPS loss half the time. It shouldn't be. Also, make all songs do something reasonable, and not just WM and MB. Also also, if BRD is gonna have a cleanse, maybe have the cleanse be useful in different ways as well. Like idk, 1% dmg buff.

DNC: It's an okay job, low skill floor + medium ceiling. But it shouldn't do more DPS than MCH.

MCH: If you're gonna have 3 oGCDs that do the same thing qith different animations, maybe actually don't. If MCH is to stay a pure DPS, it needs a rework and also needs to actually do damage.

Melees:
Oh boy. Uhm. Where do I even start?

RPR: Please make this an actual job. Why is it so damn free? Like I get it, it has some utility, but it isn't...it just isn't great, man. Some depth to the rotation would be fire.

SAM: I'd say bring back Kaiten, but I honestly don't actually care that much. But like, bringing back Kaiten would help, y'know?

NIN: I miss Huton management. So much. But that aside, NIN is NIN. The average player already sucks at it anyway. It's fine. I think Dokumori should work on EX trial drops. I know this is Very silly because it'd make NIN mandatory, but that's why it's modtly a joke.

MNK: I mean, it could be so much worse, I guess. The class is actually intelligible for once. But I don't think MNK mains wanted that.

VPR: Those tooltips are a disgusting janky mess, and the job is currently overtuned for AoE. Nobody is surprised.

DRG: Bring back Nastrond, I am begging you. All charges of it, that is.

And like, adjust the DPS curve please. Double VPR being actually viable in M6S is stupid.

And finally, casters. Honestly, it's a fucking mess. Here we go:

BLM: De-dumb it halfway. Give us timers back, but make them not run out when out of combat. It'll be great.

RDM: Should be the lowest DPS caster. I don't know why it isn't with Verraise in its kit. It's kind of dumb.

SMN: Honestly, the utility is fine. It can be second worst after RDM. But it needs a rotation. We have the Ramuh Egi model. We have a lot of things. Make it an actual choice. Like Ramuh vs. Leviathan, Garuda vs. Ifrit, Titan vs. the Moogle. And of course, Bahamut vs. Phoenix. That would easily make it a better job.

PCT: Hammer needs to be a gain on one. That's it, that's the take. Not a high gain btw. Just. A gain. Also, it needs to do less DPS than BLM and more than SMN.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

P.S. Give BLU LB3 based on the role copied so we can actually do WoL EX. And maybe Ultimates if they ever wanna rebalance for that.

[Aravell]

I think every job in the healer role needs to be rebuilt from the ground up at this point. Can the jobs in the role function as they are right now? Yes. Are they well-designed? Absolutely not.

WHM: Accessibility doesn't have to mean it's so simple that a monkey could pick it up and play it well in an hour. If they want this job to be a strong healer, then it should be the only healer that can top up the party in one go with every other healer needing to put in a bit more work.

Following on their vision of an accessible and strong healer, it could have a basic framework much like their opposite magic job (BLM), like perhaps earth and water stances with wind as a DoT or personal damage debuff like RPR has, can also dip into holy spells for their nuke, like BLM dips into void magic for theirs.

SCH: This job lost so much over the years that it's a pale shadow now. Give back Selene and give her a use. Give back the DoTs and lost utility and make SCH the resource juggling healer again. Give the fey gauge another use aside from being just a targetted regen gauge.

SCH should be the busy healer, you play this job because you like managing many things at once and if you do it well, you get better results.

AST: DT AST is not it, it has diverse effects again, but everything is fixed, and when everything is fixed, it's also boring. Give back single draw, sleeve draw and time magic, give abilities like Spread and Royal Road to mitigate RNG.

Since cards are RNG, they can also be impactful again, no more small damage buffs, it can have stronger effects as they're not guaranteed.

SGE: I'll admit that I don't really like SGE and haven't played it much, but people are very passionate about wanting it to fulfill the DPS healer fantasy, so probably just go in that direction.

[Zairava]

Healers

On the topic of them, besides making them not the most mind-numbing gaming experience I've ever seen conceived (especially in solo play) I can really only comment on scholar because it's the only one I ever play on the rare occasion I actually play healer.

SCH:

> Miasma, Bane, Shadowflare returned

> Dial back the fairy nonsense, I'm playing Scholar, I don't think turning into some fairy/angel thing exactly makes me feel like a scholar.

> Eos/Selene are baked in, regardless, so I'd like to see some offensive utility added back to them like they used to.

Phys Ranged

and for this, I can only comment on Bard since, like healers, I only really play this if and when I do play the role. (I should clarify I usually get around to leveling the others eventually, though). Oh, and for gods sake stop making MCH eat the crumbs off the floor when it's supposed to be the greedier dps of the bunch.

BRD:

I'd like to see DoT interaction make a comeback and to have a method of spreading the dots similar to Bane.

This might be controversial but I preferred when repertoire procced off of DoTs.

Bloodletter/Heartbreak shot is a bit of an odd one for me. I think it would be better if it got somewhat toned down and something more got added to it? It is called Bloodletter and Heartbreak shot, after all. Maybe it can grant a resist down debuff to the enemy/enemies inflicted?
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I'd like to make a side note I think I forgot to mention in my first post. I think execution abilities should return. The lower their health gets below a certain threshold the more damage they do.

I'm also biased. Give one to DRK, it's probably well suited to have one anyway.

[ty_taurus]

On the topic of healers besides making them not the most mind-numbing gaming experience I've ever seen conceived (especially in solo play) I can really only comment on Scholar because it's the only one I ever play on the rare occasion I actually play healer.

Miasma, Bane, Shadowflare returned

Dial back the fairy nonsense, I'm playing Scholar, I don't think turning into some fairy/angel thing exactly makes me feel like a scholar.

Eos/Selene are baked in, regardless, so I'd like to see some offensive utility added back to them like they used to.

I’m not the scholar guy anymore, so if damage buffs on faeries are what real scholar mains want, then by all means listen to them over me, but I don’t really want to see buffs on faeries myself.

I definitely think Eos and Selene should be different, but old Selene’s kit was not the right balance. Rather, I’d prefer to see Eos offer more healing throughput as she did before while Selene offers more utility. Drop Fey Illiumination and link the increased healing to Eos’ Whispering Dawn, and leave Fey Blessing as Eos’ burst heal. For Selene, instead of Silent Dusk, why not offer Whispering Dusk— an AOE magic damage reduction debuff that also inflicts Toad on regular enemies like trash mobs? And Selene gets Fey Storm instead of Fey Blessing, which is what expedient is converted into.

[Zairava]

I’m not the scholar guy anymore, so if damage buffs on faeries are what real scholar mains want, then by all means listen to them over me, but I don’t really want to see buffs on faeries myself.

I definitely think Eos and Selene should be different, but old Selene’s kit was not the right balance. Rather, I’d prefer to see Eos offer more healing throughput as she did before while Selene offers more utility. Drop Fey Illiumination and link the increased healing to Eos’ Whispering Dawn, and leave Fey Blessing as Eos’ burst heal. For Selene, instead of Silent Dusk, why not offer Whispering Dusk— an AOE magic damage reduction debuff that also inflicts Toad on regular enemies like trash mobs? And Selene gets Fey Storm instead of Fey Blessing, which is what expedient is converted into.

Oh, I'm by no means a scholar main, it's just the only healer I play really.

I gotta say having an ability that turns the trash mobs into toads sounds awesome lmao, I'd take that.

I honestly wasn't a fan of the Eos and Selene merge and would like to see them serve different purposes again, for sure.

Giving selene expedient isn't actually something I'd have thought of..that probably fits more than damage buffs or the like.

I've always seen Eos as the more raw healing focused and selene as the utility focused, so that's the basis I'd like to see them chase.

[ty_taurus]

Oh, I'm by no means a scholar main, it's just the only healer I play really.

I gotta say having an ability that turns the trash mobs into toads sounds awesome lmao, I'd take that.

I honestly wasn't a fan of the Eos and Selene merge and would like to see them serve different purposes again, for sure.

Giving selene expedient isn't actually something I'd have thought of..that probably fits more than damage buffs or the like.

I've always seen Eos as the more raw healing focused and selene as the utility focused, so that's the basis I'd like to see them chase.

I’ve wanted Scholar to inflict toad for ages as an alternative to White Mage’s stun. Astro also used to stun on Celestial Opposition which I miss. But toad is fun I think because it feels very fitting for faerie magic. I imagine Selene’s a little more mischievous, and so turning enemies into toads or pigs would feel really thematic. Ironically white mage got that effect in PVP as a single target disruption for some reason, something that seemed so left field in my opinion.

[0blivion]

I think for lore memes we should have SCH inflict Tonberry.

[ty_taurus]

I think for lore memes we should have SCH inflict Tonberry.

That’s a little morbid but we do have the tonberry minion model

[Valence]

8.0 new capstone: Tonberrism.

( big reveal: whm will get it )

[mallleable]

Some GNB changes I think should happen

Gnashing Fang combo, and Continuation should be learned in the level 1-50 range

Fated Circle unlocks at an earlier level

When Continuation is learned, it unlocks every cartridge skill's Continuation proc, and any future cartridge skill's Continuation as well. Which means Double Down gets a Continuation proc (Ultimatum or Terminal Trigger would be cool names for a Continuation attack)

Blasting Zone becomes a line AOE

Lightning Shot grants a short buff that turns a Trajectory charge into Rough Divide

GNB needs some kind of 'get behind me' skill like Passage of Arms to explore its bodyguard/queen's guard identity

Camouflage should proc, and transform into an additional utility skill when used, maybe like a short super sprint like Occult Sprint.

A bit on the fence about this idea, but I think No Mercy, and Bow Shock could be merged. They both have similar animations. Like Bow Shock is mostly unchanged, maybe extend the radius a yalm, but it now grants the No Mercy buff to open up some hotbar space.