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  1. #81
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    Sorry you had a bad experience… I’m sure there are plenty of good groups out there that wouldn’t do something like this at the last minute.

    But still, the fact that the design of FTB pretty much forces us into having to schedule and coordinate these things outside the game is the issue here. The in-zone version with cipher entry should be a Normal mode. Move the current version with its rez restrictions and wipe mechanics to PF as Savage mode.
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    Also it would be nice to have an Exploratory mode for the Tower itself. Especially if all the field notes could be obtained that way… just throwing out ideas. But bare minimum I want to be able to explore the Tower and grab the last 5 field notes before starting the next zone.

    A Normal mode is definitely preferred, but either way I think it would be cool to be able to go back in and just wander around, kinda like they did for the Nier raids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laphael View Post
    Yes, we need a normal mode.

    The alternative would be to implement the queueingfix as planned in 7.3 and let everyone who likes the challenge beat it like this and then in 7.4 NERF it down to DRN/Dalriada difficulty.


    Sadly i fear the SE alternative will be: pretend it doesn´t exist after 7.3
    They can't do that because they need to prepare new South Horn phantom jobs for us in 7.45 as per their own timeline, which will be tested rigorously in the Forked Tower by people progging.
    As of 7.55 I expect them to forget since we'd be getting the new zone North Horn.
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  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by XtremePrime View Post
    They can't do that because they need to prepare new South Horn phantom jobs for us in 7.45 as per their own timeline, which will be tested rigorously in the Forked Tower by people progging.
    As of 7.55 I expect them to forget since we'd be getting the new zone North Horn.
    Honestly I wouldn’t care if they did FTB:Normal alongside the release of the new zone, just so I didn’t have to start the new zone before completing the Tower. But for them to just say, “oh we didn’t think it was needed or important enough to do,” while saying the next zone will have both doesn’t really make sense since the two Towers are supposed to be mirrors of each other somehow.

    This just isn’t content I want to have to prog at all. Extreme Trials, Savage, Ultimate? All those can be queued up again immediately if you wipe. This pretty much requires me to clear a whole day off my schedule and hope I can find a run at a good time for me, even after they add the PF fix, and then do it all over again if we don’t clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra View Post
    Honestly I wouldn’t care if they did FTB:Normal alongside the release of the new zone, just so I didn’t have to start the new zone before completing the Tower. But for them to just say, “oh we didn’t think it was needed or important enough to do,” while saying the next zone will have both doesn’t really make sense since the two Towers are supposed to be mirrors of each other somehow.

    This just isn’t content I want to have to prog at all. Extreme Trials, Savage, Ultimate? All those can be queued up again immediately if you wipe. This pretty much requires me to clear a whole day off my schedule and hope I can find a run at a good time for me, even after they add the PF fix, and then do it all over again if we don’t clear.
    There was no hard confirmation on FT: Magic having a normal mode, as was clarified to me. It was just a "We'll think about it, maybe".
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  6. #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    There was no hard confirmation on FT: Magic having a normal mode, as was clarified to me. It was just a "We'll think about it, maybe".
    Figures… *sigh* to go from CLL/Dal/DRN to go with BA2, twice, is really disappointing.
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    Forked tower magic having or not having a normal mode is also going to be impacted by how they choose to do gear progression beyond what we currently have because as it stands sanguinite is not accessible to casuals to +2 gear is inaccessible
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Forked tower magic having or not having a normal mode is also going to be impacted by how they choose to do gear progression beyond what we currently have because as it stands sanguinite is not accessible to casuals to +2 gear is inaccessible
    Not quite. There is a support fate that spawns when people are in the tower that rewards participants with sanguinite. Only 2, but it's better than nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BristolRuss View Post
    Not quite. There is a support fate that spawns when people are in the tower that rewards participants with sanguinite. Only 2, but it's better than nothing.
    It’s 360 sanguinite for a full set of +2

    180 support fates for one of 7 sets of gear is basically the equivalent of being inaccessible

    Especially since the support fate spawns right before the final boss so not every forked instance reaches it and since it needs to solve the puzzle to spawn it’s actually time optimal to skip it which is a new meta I’m seeing forming the last few days
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Hell, the amount of Sanguinite you get for killing the bosses is barely anything as is when progging. I would have thought they'd design it so you can get a fair bit of Sanguinite by doing FT so you can get +2 equipment faster to better tackle Forked Tower. Kinda like how they used to design progression on Savage with the first two being easy enough to get into and get gear so you can prog the harder 3/4. The fact that the first boss drops 1 is pretty ridiculous. lol
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