We need to do something about Tanks and Outgoing Damage from Bosses

[Supersnow845]

I really don't understand why we're advocating for replacing Heals with shields, this just shifts the powercreep of the tanks into shield HP. As a Paladin it's Not the self healing that keeps me alive in AOE It's the sheer mitigation value I have, if you've played tank outside warrior you'd notice this.

a lot of you are over estimate how much self healing effects survivability and never consider how good the actual mitigation aspects of the tanks truly are. Combining Normal mitigation cooldowns with shields is also insanely strong, Guardian proves that combining a mitigation and shield is way too strong especially when tanks already got boat loads of Shielding and mitigation. Both play a part in making tanks Immortal but it's a lot of the time to do with mitigation, adding shields ontop of that would likely make you heal less then you already do.

I'll give a example on how I'd scale down tanks power levels
PLD - Remove self healing from all Magic attacks, Holy sheltron/intervention becomes a flat 20% keeping its regen as its only form of sustain outside clemency which costs damage, Reduce Guardian down to 30% and reduce its barrier to 500 potency
GNB - HOC Also a 20% Mitigation Half the Excog potency, Aurora regen back to 200 Potency, Great Nebula back to 30% and half the health gained aspect
WAR - Bloodwhetting/Nascent split, bw can target self or ally BW Mitigates damage by 15% and creates a barrier for 400 potency, nascent flash can only target self it heals you for each hit by 300 potency for 8s DOES NOT HEAL PER ENEMY. equilibrium regen removed, Damnation becomes 35% mitigation keeps its damage aspect, Remove regen, shake it off no longer regens
DRK - Shadowed Vigil, goes to 30% Reduce healing to 800 Potency.

But this would also be in addition to actually designing fights that deal higher damage to tanks, let tanks also pull more then 2 packs.

People mostly ignore the mitigation factor here because by and large ultimate and higher end savage actually do test tanks pure mitigation potential and even in more casual content mitigating damage; whether it’s needed or not; is much more in line with the tank job description than raw healing is

Tanks don’t necessarily need a nerf to their pure mitigation (though if they made it more interesting I’d take that as a net positive) but healing internally lengthens survivability often indefinitely. Even if tanks had a “reduce damage by 95% no CD” if they had no healing the boss would eventually whittle them down. However with self healing the damage they take is less than the damage they heal so their eHP is effectively infinite. That’s what leads to what OP is discussing. Pure mitigation, and to a lesser extent shields better prevent protracted casual content holdouts by tanks because they are at their core “temporary” HP, pure healing is permanent HP