Yuweyawata Field Station is so wrong

[Arohk]

Who decides what is appropriately hard? The devs!? .

Yes, and to my knowledge and experience they have a very good understanding on how to tune their encounters, i only remember one instance where they had to actually nerf a boss, that was P8 Savage, which had a 2% nerf to it total HP in phase one.

You mention you don't wish to change PvP to meet your needs. Understood. The issue here is that MSQ combat gates the MSQ. It is required content unlike anything else in the game.

who decides that the MSQ is required? required for what? Required to unlock harder content, if you dont want to do harder content, MSQ is not required for anything, if you want to play PvP you can do that wihout finishing the MSQ, if you want to play cards, you dont have to finish the MSQ (unless you want to collec all the cards, but then you must do harder content)

[Mawlzy]

i would like to see some hard data for that claim.

NA clear rate for savage on cycle is less than 25%? Thought that was generally accepted and similar in EU.

I'll solo EX unsynched occasionally if I want a mount.

Those numbers might increase if PvE in 14 was actually interesting, but unfortunately it's formulaic slop.

[Mawlzy]

Yes, and to my knowledge and experience they have a very good understanding on how to tune their encounters, i only remember one instance where they had to actually nerf a boss, that was P8 Savage, which had a 2% nerf to it total HP in phase one.

Er... I mean, you're talking about side content I know nothing about, so you may well be right. But isn't it generally accepted that PvE in 14 is its worst feature? All the dungeons are the same formula, and the difficulty of nearly all dungeons, trials and raids is based entirely on resolving DDR nonsense. Like nobody plays 14 for the PvE, surely? The fact they can tune HP correctly seems to miss the point.

As far as I'm concerned they could use the identical dungeon lay-out for every dungeon, with half a dozen different rigs for the bosses, and I wouldn't find it better or worse. There was some interesting design in ARR, but that is long gone.

who decides that the MSQ is required? required for what? Required to unlock harder content, if you dont want to do harder content, MSQ is not required for anything.

Oh come on. FFXIV is a story-driven game, paying tribute to the FF franchise. To continue to follow the MSQ story, you definitionally have to advance the MSQ. This requires dealing with the stupid dungeons, not only to get to the next cut scene, but also because some of the story is told in certain dungeons.

The fact they also gate harder, optional side content is pretty much irrelevant, since everyone progresses the MSQ anyway.

[Arohk]

NA clear rate for savage on cycle is less than 25%? Thought that was generally accepted and similar in EU.

that is quite a lot considering the difficulty, and "clearing" is not equal to participating, even if you only clear the first two bosses, it takes a lot of time commitment to actually finish the entire tier.

Soloing old EX fights isnt even a challenge for the most part, dont know why you bring that up. I farm all the mounts when it is the current content, (or 99 totems in most cases),
i killed Chaotic Cloud 84 times to get both mounts, did you even kill it once?

I think you are talking about content you don't really know much about.

The MSQ is about 300 hours of playtime now , if you dont skip the cutscenes, that is about 5% of my total playtime.

[Mawlzy]

that is quite a lot considering the difficulty, and "clearing" is not equal to participating, even if you only clear the first two bosses, it takes a lot of time commitment to actually finish the entire tier.

Soloing old EX fights isnt even a challenge for the most part, dont know why you bring that up. I farm all the mounts when it is the current content, (or 99 totems in most cases),
i killed Chaotic Cloud 84 times to get both mounts.

I think you are talking about content you don't really know much about.

I was pointing out the only time I engage with EX is unsynched. So you're right, on cycle I have no experience of EX, and certainly don't have the interest or ability to attempt savage.

Progging just sounds like a boring, repetitive job and I'm happily retired.

Clearing CC 84 times sounds like a self-inflicted nightmare, but if you enjoy it, that's great.

[Carin-Eri]

I was pointing out the only time I engage with EX is unsynched. So you're right, on cycle I have no experience of EX, and certainly don't have the interest or ability to attempt savage.

Progging just sounds like a boring, repetitive job and I'm happily retired.

Clearing CC 84 times sounds like a self-inflicted nightmare, but if you enjoy it, that's great.

Same. I've done a few unsynched Ex's (The Seat of Sacrifice, Zodiark's Fall, Hydaelyn's Call and Endsinger's Aria), mostly with friends - or at least one friend on the team - but I wouldn't even consider going anywhere near current high-level content.

Meanwhile the "refuse to improve" narrative continues in other threads.

[Valence]

who decides that the MSQ is required? required for what? Required to unlock harder content, if you dont want to do harder content, MSQ is not required for anything, if you want to play PvP you can do that wihout finishing the MSQ, if you want to play cards, you dont have to finish the MSQ (unless you want to collec all the cards, but then you must do harder content)

MSQ is required to unlock most of the game's content, not just higher level pve. Crafting, gathering, sidequests, cosmic explo to come... all are gated by msq. Including the story.

[Mawlzy]

that is quite a lot considering the difficulty, and "clearing" is not equal to participating, even if you only clear the first two bosses, it takes a lot of time commitment to actually finish the entire tier.

Soloing old EX fights isnt even a challenge for the most part, dont know why you bring that up. I farm all the mounts when it is the current content, (or 99 totems in most cases),
i killed Chaotic Cloud 84 times to get both mounts, did you even kill it once?

I think you are talking about content you don't really know much about.

The MSQ is about 300 hours of playtime now , if you dont skip the cutscenes, that is about 5% of my total playtime.

Right, and MSW dungeons and trials are what? 10% of that? Call it 20%, that's 60 hours of MSQ required PvE.

In the last three years I've put in around 2500 hours of PvP. Maybe another 1500 on side quests, FATEs, Gold Saucer, hunts, Bozja/Eureka...

60/4000 = 0.015. 1.5% of my time was spent in required MSQ PvE and I basically do zero optional dungeons/trials/raids.

PvE is not the focus of FFXIV. At least how I play it.

[Mawlzy]

Same. I've done a few unsynched Ex's (The Seat of Sacrifice, Zodiark's Fall, Hydaelyn's Call and Endsinger's Aria), mostly with friends - or at least one friend on the team - but I wouldn't even consider going anywhere near current high-level content.

Meanwhile the "refuse to improve" narrative continues in other threads.

Isn't it... "strange" is being charitable.

There is a noisy sub-community here. Its members claim they know what people they have never met are capable of accomplishing in one dusty corner of a video game. Because of this clairvoyance, they confidently conclude that those not meeting some arbitrary benchmark clearly refuse to learn (or open their eyes, or read their tooltips, or turn on their brains, or...)

And we're presented with all these bizarre assertions without any recognition that such claims are so spectacularly arrogant that they border on sociopathy.

I'm starting to wonder whether playing video games is good for the mind. Maybe I'll return to poker.

[Arohk]

There is a noisy sub-community here. Its members claim they know what people they have never met are capable of accomplishing in one dusty corner of a video game.

No Sir, you are an Ultra Casual that thinks he has a valid opinion about a part of a game he doesn't even participate in, you may have your reasons why and i hope the game is fulfilling the way you play it.
Please go and clear at least one Savage boss, then come back and tell me again how dungeons are too diffult and i will take you more seriously.
I will tell it to you one final time, the game is NOT TOO DIFFICULT, the game has accessibility problems that confuse new players.