Apyaahi was right. DT Final Role Quest Spoilers

[Valence]

I don't know what strawman you're trying to build, but keep digging.
I still have no idea what you're fighting against beyond that. It's pretty incredible in a way, you all came in with the intent to argue like crazy about something else entirely, and you're still not seeing it.

[Dikatis]

Finally, this reflects a trend in recent quests: turning the Warrior of Light into a tool of the state or a mercenary. Are we adventurers and champions of the downtrodden, or just enforcers for those in power? The lack of dialogue options that let us empathize with characters like Apyaahi is what I find most offensive. It robs the story of depth and undermines the very ideals our character is supposed to represent.

Regarding this. Would you mind pointing me toward where the Warrior of Light has been pointed at downtrodden people as a weapon of the state? Because the Unbound are not that. Most of the Unbound's leaders come from places of privilege. Ellerette is a well-off enough alchemist to wear fine fabrics and is skilled enough to be able to subvert natural processes that would disrupt her mass poisoning plan. Virazahn is the son of a wealthy merchant, Chalteaufite robbed caravans to buy himself the Lunar Envoy set (and gear fit for adventurers of WoL's caliber is stated to be as expensive as a house), and Leophyne is a disgraced member of the Temple Knights and nobility. The only ones with a remotely pitiable background are Samidare, who developed misanthropy from being conscripted by the Garleans, and Apyaahi, whose backstory as a member of a restrictive tribe is told in a way clearly meant to gain sympathy. Even then, Apyaahi is still in a place of privilege as someone with nearly unquestioned command of dozens or hundreds of people, wealth through Virazahn, and connections through her many followers. So that leaves Samidare, who abuses the power of the Dreamweave Cocoon that he stole from I'toca's and Kuiyki's tribe in an effort to foment war for no reason other than self-gratification.

In what world is he the pitiable, downtrodden person being crushed by the state?

I don't know what strawman you're trying to build, but keep digging.
I still have no idea what you're fighting against beyond that. It's pretty incredible in a way, you all came in with the intent to argue like crazy about something else entirely, and you're still not seeing it.

The post came in with argument that Apyaahi has a point and quotes her at length in an effort to make that argument. So we're refuting that argument.

[Supersnow845]

Regarding this. Would you mind pointing me toward where the Warrior of Light has been pointed at downtrodden people as a weapon of the state? Because the Unbound are not that. Most of the Unbound's leaders come from places of privilege. Ellerette is a well-off enough alchemist to wear fine fabrics and is skilled enough to be able to subvert natural processes that would disrupt her mass poisoning plan. Virazahn is the son of a wealthy merchant, Chalteaufite robbed caravans to buy himself the Lunar Envoy set (and gear fit for adventurers of WoL's caliber is stated to be as expensive as a house), and Leophyne is a disgraced member of the Temple Knights and nobility. The only ones with a remotely pitiable background are Samidare, who developed misanthropy from being conscripted by the Garleans, and Apyaahi, whose backstory as a member of a restrictive tribe is told in a way clearly meant to gain sympathy. Even then, Apyaahi is still in a place of privilege as someone with nearly unquestioned command of dozens or hundreds of people, wealth through Virazahn, and connections through her many followers. So that leaves Samidare, who abuses the power of the Dreamweave Cocoon that he stole from I'toca's and Kuiyki's tribe in an effort to foment war for no reason other than self-gratification.

In what world is he the pitiable, downtrodden person being crushed by the state?



The post came in with argument that Apyaahi has a point and quotes her at length in an effort to make that argument. So we're refuting that argument.

Well more than once we’ve begrudgingly acted in the syndicates interests in order to maintain the peace in uldah and we’ve also done the same in kugane

Sure there is a valid argument to be made that corrupt stability is better than anarchy or bloody war to replace corrupt stability with different corrupt stability but to pretend like the WOL has never been functionally a no choice agent in maintaining the stability of the state is also just wrong

There is also instances like with the kobolds that the limsan’s are 100% in the wrong but we represent limsa’s interests more than the kobolds in the name of future peace despite the kobolds being the ones wronged in the situation

[Dikatis]

Well more than once we’ve begrudgingly acted in the syndicates interests in order to maintain the peace in uldah and we’ve also done the same in kugane

The only time I remember WoL willingly accommodating the Syndicate's interests is when they were just starting out as an adventurer and putting down the Hecatoncheires in Copperbell Mines because they were EATING PEOPLE. Any other times WoL helped the Syndicate were more incidental than anything. The Kugane one was foiling a coup by Kageyama, an even more corrupt and self-interested merchant. I've already described why Ugetsu's coup would do more harm than good and WoL probably would stand with a revolution if the populace supported it. And WoL has repeatedly busted other corrupt individuals and people in power, including oligarchic merchants like the antagonists of the ARR Society Quests, Akebono, Jucabra, Vanhudi and Jucabra in the Hildibrand quests, and Gurumi Boriumi in the Samurai quests. Heck, even in DT we go after Wihuwte, a dirty cop abusing his position to rob the people of Shaaloani blind. Claiming WoL is a jackbooted thug of the state is wrong.

There is also instances like with the kobolds that the limsan’s are 100% in the wrong but we represent limsa’s interests more than the kobolds in the name of future peace despite the kobolds being the ones wronged in the situation

And no one ever really denies that Limsa Lominsa is in the wrong. But if Titan and Leviathan are left to their own, they will drain the land of aether and render it infertile to life on top of the mass destruction they'll cause in Vylbrand. Everything west of Aleport used to be a town and farmland prior to being crushed by Leviathan's waves and a lot of people were killed. And that's not even getting into tempering making reconciliation and peacemaking impossible due to the fanaticism that primals enforce upon their followers. The moment an opportunity to end the war for good presents itself when Alisaie and G'raha created their tempering cure, Merlwyb and WoL seize it to end the conflict and continue to make reparations to the Sahagin.