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    Valence's Avatar
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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Twintania
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    Why are people still trying to explain what was bad with Apyaahi's behavior when it has literally nothing to do with the OP?
    Go home, watsonians, you're lost.
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    Dikatis's Avatar
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    Lleu Macnia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    Why are people still trying to explain what was bad with Apyaahi's behavior when it has literally nothing to do with the OP?
    Go home, watsonians, you're lost.
    No.

    She doesn't have a point because she's not interested in actually solving anything. None of what she says is news to us. And she actively loathes the idea of anyone being accommodating or generally reasonable to anyone else.

    This is most notable in her balking at Limsa Lominsa pivoting away from piracy. To quote her, "Once lawless pirates are made to bow to the state." This is an unambiguously GOOD thing. Lominsan piracy is shown by literally everyone to be entirely unsustainable and counterproductive compared to seeking legitimate ventures. It has actively jeopardized the safety and well-being of people by perpetuating the city-state's war with the Sahagin and Kobolds. An entire storyline is dedicated to ending this war and showing just how self-destructive its piracy is.

    Her sentiments are also extremely outdated in other cases. Ishgard and Doma are in the midst of reforms to ensure that another Dragonsong War and another Yotsuyu never happens again. Gridania is opening its borders more and has buried the hatchet with its oldest enemy, Ala Mhigo, who comes to Gridania's aid in raiding the ruins of Dalamud to power the Ragnarok and save all life in the universe. Ul'dahn merchants may still be in power, but Nanamo has half of Lolorito's fortune, two allies on the Syndicate in Pipin and Godbert, and underwent a great deal of growth and maturity to become an effective leader. Ul'dah did not have a blasphemy manifest under her leadership, she has recreated a formal alliance between Ul'dah and the Amal'jaa, and we see Lolorito in talks with refugees and other downtrodden people to provide them better employment.

    Apyaahi's points only have merit on a surface level, much like how Varis' criticisms of the city-states only bite due to the leaders' regrets and fall to pieces when the heroes learn of Varis' race war aspirations in continuing the Rejoining.

    Stop trying to end the conversation by claiming "you lost" when you clearly haven't "won" since this is a discussion, not a debate.
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    MikkoAkure's Avatar
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    Midi Ajihri
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    Why are people still trying to explain what was bad with Apyaahi's behavior when it has literally nothing to do with the OP?
    Go home, watsonians, you're lost.
    The OP is basing their whole point using in-game "Watsonian" (god I hate that term) references on Apyaahi's philosophy being "right", when multiple characters point out where it's flawed. "Freedom that harms others is no freedom at all". The character's point is objectively wrong for reasons I already pointed out and her whole method to enact their philosophy involving harming innocent civilians around the world.

    From an outside perspective, the character has nothing new to say to players that hasn't already been in story lines already. Instead we're given a different take where someone who might have something good to say instead ruins any support they could have received by just being a really crappy person.

    All of the role quests themselves leaned much more into the silly side than serious and the premise was extremely silly from the very first cutscene of the first quest that leads into the role quests. I'm not sure why people are surprised or what you were expecting when the tone has been set since the very beginning and throughout.
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