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  1. #10231
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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    Oh, I get it.. the 20 people + their alts spamming/farming this into oblivion somehow think they are the majority representative of the player base. Let me just..lol. Out of touch with reality much?

    PS: apparently some have been playing a healer in this game for 14 years too. Pure comedy.
    Well, the game did release in 2010. Sure, maybe they're forgetting to factor in that 'we are now in 2025' doesn't really count because we're only 21 days in, and sure, maybe they're also forgetting to factor in the 10ish months of time the game went offline to turn it into ARR. But I'd say it's entirely possible for someone to say 'I've played a healer in FFXIV for 14 years' and it be mostly true

    As for how many people have participated in the thread, I'd link the spreadsheet that one person made to try and show that either A: the people complaining are too casual to have any understanding of how Healer kits work in high end content (the content they're really designed for), or B: that the people complaining are too hardcore to understand how the things they're asking for will ruin the casual's play experience, and so said hardcore player is out of touch. Unfortunately, said spreadsheet no longer seems to exist, likely because the person saw the data show that actually, we have some casuals, some hardcores, and everything in between. Plus, it was incredibly silly of them to imply that 'level of skill/content completed = how much of an opinion you're allowed' when it comes to something as wide reaching as 'job design'.

    We've had a lot more unique posters than '20 plus some alts'. We might not be 'the majority', but there's no need to make up numbers like that, it makes your argument/stance on the matter look incredibly fragile



    As for 'how many Healers do we have in the playerbase, vs how many DPS/Tank', the only numbers I've seen about the topic came from someone who was diametrically opposed to me on the subject. And the numbers they quoted showed that HW actually had the highest 'percentage of playerbase' as Healer mains, at almost 25%. Ever since SB, it's been lower, with a small bump in EW due to SGE's release but never reaching those HW peaks again. So, if the changes over the years that were meant to attract non-Healers to the Healer role, haven't, then why keep going down the road when we can see it's not working? Sunk cost fallacy? Too much pride to admit to failures? We may never know, which is sad, because FFXIV was reborn from its potential 1.0 induced death precisely because they were able to say 'we messed up and we're going to work to fix it'
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    Last edited by ForsakenRoe; 01-22-2025 at 07:39 AM.

  2. #10232
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    TheDustyOne's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    Oh, I get it.. the 20 people + their alts spamming/farming this into oblivion...


    Now I have to find out; am I an alt of Roe? Snow? Ty? Zaytex? Maybe I'm somehow Striker trying to argue incessantly to keep the thread on the front page? Maybe we're all secretly the same guy. Maybe I don't exist. Do you exist? Maybe you're Striker in a different hat. Maybe I'm you, maybe you're me.

    Or maybe, since that'd be a huge waste of money to stay subbed to create fake arguments on a forum, we're all actually individuals that have complaints over the years with how healers are designed and you merely disagree, but instead of a mere disagreement, you're peddling conspiracies.

    And yes, the guys and gals who have played healers for 14 years, who have knowledge of both how they play now and how they used to play, can make an informed comparison over which they find better. I don't see how that's comedy? You'll have to explain the joke to me.
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    Last edited by TheDustyOne; 01-22-2025 at 07:40 AM.

  3. #10233
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    Rolder50's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDustyOne View Post
    Now I have to find out; am I an alt of Roe? Snow? Ty? Zaytex? Maybe I'm somehow Striker trying to argue incessantly to keep the thread on the front page? Maybe we're all secretly the same guy. Maybe I don't exist. Do you exist? Maybe you're Striker in a different hat. Maybe I'm you, maybe you're me.
    You can be my alt, you have my permission
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  4. #10234
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    Azurarok's Avatar
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    Medim Azurarok
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    I don't remember who had the one signature with the titanmen quote but that I guess
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  5. #10235
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDustyOne View Post
    Now I have to find out; am I an alt of Roe? Snow? Ty? Zaytex? Maybe I'm somehow Striker trying to argue incessantly to keep the thread on the front page? Maybe we're all secretly the same guy. Maybe I don't exist. Do you exist? Maybe you're Striker in a different hat. Maybe I'm you, maybe you're me.
    Well I was once told I was an alt of Supersnow, despite the fact that we don't talk the same way, have the same experiences or even agree sometimes.
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  6. #10236
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Everyone is my alt apparently. Somehow I ended up the most recognisable one

    (Also note forsaken is right in that I listed 14 years because I’ve played since the legacy beta in 2010)
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  7. #10237
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    TheDustyOne's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    You can be my alt, you have my permission
    I'll be your Alarasong Two.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Well I was once told I was an alt of Supersnow, despite the fact that we don't talk the same way, have the same experiences or even agree sometimes.
    All the more proof of an elaborate ruse! If you agreed with Supersnow on everything, and talked like him, why, it'd be too easy! So you had to craft some disagreement to throw off the paper trail, but I can see through your silly little game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Everyone is my alt apparently. Somehow I ended up the most recognisable one
    We are Supersnow. Your consciousness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile.
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  8. #10238
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDustyOne View Post
    We are Supersnow. Your consciousness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile.
    Ah, so that's why some of the people who disagreed eventually disappeared, they were assimilated into the Supersnow consciousness and now are one of the alts.
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  9. #10239
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    I imagine they mistook the forum join date as the date Supersnow starts playing, so they could be misinformed.

    Regardless, that gave me 2nd hand embarrassment. After writing the same obtuse song and dance that’s been loitering for 5+ years across several pages ago, then decides the giant thread is a collection of alts. So whose alt am I? :P

    The same song and dance, again and again. Apparently we’re not only playing DDR in-game, but also in the forums.
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  10. #10240
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    Lorika's Avatar
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    We have 4 healers, not 1
    Well, not really in fact.
    AST is just a WHM with buff and delayed action instead of direct one (Earthly Star and Horoscope are dealyed/timed version of Assize and Thin Air for exemple)
    The same, SGE is just a more straightfoward version of SCH overall.

    of coure, there is some others difference, but in end, the core of AST and SGE are based on their predecessor.
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