Frontlines: There should not be ANY rewards for 2nd or 3rd place

[AllenThyl]

The issue is NA / EU mentality, which is for too great a part "just here for the xp". There is actually a way to solve this, and that is more moderation. There need to be hard (and fast) consequences for people who engage in lethargic behavior / feeding, as well as all their enablers. Posting anything that undermines another player's motivation to participate and win ("it's just a game", "it's not even real pvp", "lol don't take it all so serious") should all fall under the umbrella of nuisance behavior and obstruction of play. There is a certain irony that a community so averse to any kind of "toxicity" is so okay with dismissing and talking down other people for wanting to actually have a good pvp match, when they voluntarily joined a pvp match, but aren't remotely interested in pvp.

[Mawlzy]

The issue is NA / EU mentality, which is for too great a part "just here for the xp". There is actually a way to solve this, and that is more moderation. There need to be hard (and fast) consequences for people who engage in lethargic behavior / feeding, as well as all their enablers. Posting anything that undermines another player's motivation to participate and win ("it's just a game", "it's not even real pvp", "lol don't take it all so serious") should all fall under the umbrella of nuisance behavior and obstruction of play. There is a certain irony that a community so averse to any kind of "toxicity" is so okay with dismissing and talking down other people for wanting to actually have a good pvp match, when they voluntarily joined a pvp match, but aren't remotely interested in pvp.

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I agree with all of this. Have an updoot.

[FlopsyPrince]

The issue is NA / EU mentality, which is for too great a part "just here for the xp". There is actually a way to solve this, and that is more moderation. There need to be hard (and fast) consequences for people who engage in lethargic behavior / feeding, as well as all their enablers. Posting anything that undermines another player's motivation to participate and win ("it's just a game", "it's not even real pvp", "lol don't take it all so serious") should all fall under the umbrella of nuisance behavior and obstruction of play. There is a certain irony that a community so averse to any kind of "toxicity" is so okay with dismissing and talking down other people for wanting to actually have a good pvp match, when they voluntarily joined a pvp match, but aren't remotely interested in pvp.

This is one of the reasons I haven't even tried PvP. I would almost certainly suck and get labelled like this as being exploitative.

And some wonder why it is so hard to find those to participate!

[Archeron]

This is one of the reasons I haven't even tried PvP. I would almost certainly suck and get labelled like this as being exploitative.

And some wonder why it is so hard to find those to participate!

Yes, it is too much to ask someone that joins a frontlines match to target the enemies and press one of their many abilities to deal damage to them, or to not AFK. We ask too much of the casual PvP players when we want them to contribute literally *Anything* to the team. Similarily, I can't believe people expect me to deal dps in Alliance raids, and avoid collecting vuln stacks/dying. Why can't people just carry me? I can't believe they expect me to actually contribute to the clear.

[Mawlzy]

This is one of the reasons I haven't even tried PvP. I would almost certainly suck and get labelled like this as being exploitative.

And some wonder why it is so hard to find those to participate!

I'd agree that everyone sucks at first, but what that tends to mean is that rookies die a lot. If you engage the enemy, press your attack buttons in a random order, and hit recuperate when someone hits you, your end of match numbers will demonstrate you were trying.

[AllenThyl]

This is one of the reasons I haven't even tried PvP. I would almost certainly suck and get labelled like this as being exploitative.

And some wonder why it is so hard to find those to participate!

My post wasn't about "bad" players. Being inexperienced and still learning is a lot different from the behaviors I mentioned. I was specifically talking about people who are feeding, i.e. deliberately running into the enemy team to get killed, which feeds the enemy points and battle high. This kind of behavior is prohibited by the ToS. The "lethargic behavior" means people who are functionally afk. They aren't really afk, because afking in Frontline has much shorter time to kick in than in other duties, and afk people get autokicked. What these people are doing, is circumventing the autokick system by moving from time to time. Some of them are just standing in spawn, these are the more obvious ones. I have also seen some people trying to hide in some more remote locations that aren't especially obvious, like the elevated node spawns. I have also seen people hanging out with enemies, just picnicking. The more advanced people follow the main group, but always stay back. I had a gunbreaker in my group recently, who was so passive, that they didn't even bother attacking the crystal, which is a stationary PvE target. There is a scoreboard at the end, showing everyone's kill / deaths / assists, as well as the damage and healing they did, and some will end a 12 minute game with 0 damage. No hyperbole, literally 0 damage. My screenshot folder is full of them because I report every single instance.

Again, all of this behavior is already against the ToS, and should be sanctioned with strikes and bans. However, as annoying as all these ToS-breakers are, they are trumped by the enablers who protect this kind of behavior. I have seen groups not kick people who have been offline since the start of the game (frankly, the game should autokick everyone incl. penalty when they aren't reconnected within 1 minute). I have seen people viscerally defend others who were blatantly afking in spawn. "Shut up and just play", while there is someone afking, literally not playing at all. Whatever toxicity you think you will get from the "tryhards" in PvP, it's absolutely dwarfed by the vitriol spewed by the not-even-botherers. And frankly, this kind of communication should also count as ToS violation, which SE should explicitly listing it as examples of nuisance behavior. The same is true for all the "this is just casual frontline", "lol play ranked if you want serious pvp" comments. If someone doesn't even have the basic motivation to participate in a PvP mode after actively queuing for a PvP mode (no one ends in PvP by accident, can't even get it in mentor roulette), they should at least keep their demotivation to themselves.

[Sinstrel]

They could have 2nd and 3rd place only recieve PvP rewards (battle pass xp and wolf marks) while PvE exp and tomes are an additional reward only given to 1st place.

[Atreus]

The issue is NA / EU mentality, which is for too great a part "just here for the xp". There is actually a way to solve this, and that is more moderation. There need to be hard (and fast) consequences for people who engage in lethargic behavior / feeding, as well as all their enablers. Posting anything that undermines another player's motivation to participate and win ("it's just a game", "it's not even real pvp", "lol don't take it all so serious") should all fall under the umbrella of nuisance behavior and obstruction of play. There is a certain irony that a community so averse to any kind of "toxicity" is so okay with dismissing and talking down other people for wanting to actually have a good pvp match, when they voluntarily joined a pvp match, but aren't remotely interested in pvp.

^ this is the real issue. Also I don't think killing rewards for 2nd and 3rd place is going to have the effect people want. Yes you want to get rid of leeches and people there to be lethargic, but you also want to attract people who want to play and win. Scaling rewards UP for 1st and 2nd place and reducing it for 3rd is a good start. Designing more, nice rewards for 1st place would be even better. These ADS mounts ain't it.