FFXIV population decline continues

[Kaurhz]

Can you clarify this? If the playerbase agrees with / defends the company's decisions, wouldn't that mean they are in touch with the playerbase?

This wrests entirely on the defense being made in earnest. Or whether it is just standard passive aggressiveness and dismissiveness. Plus, you may have a lot of players that don't actually engage with that content, yet defend that specific piece of content, so I do think that both can happen in this instance, to be honest.

and frankly in gaming and even in the feedback cycle, this happens far more often than it should.

[NegativeS]

And yet again people bashing the story, yea it isnt great but PLS STOP doing like ffxiv is the big story mmo with the best story which has now a bad story, no it isnt, we had TWO good expansion HW and ShB everything else was trash,

ARR - Trash
HW - Good
SB - Trash
ShB - Great
EW - Trash
DT - Trash

we have more trash story expansions then we have good ones, so why is there now a issue that DT is bad? its nothing new.

This is extremely tone-deaf, ARR is still considered decent if a bit slow-paced, SB had more high points than low points, EW fulfilled many peoples' desires for a decent conclusion to the Zodi-arc.

[BigCheez]

without those people you wouldn't have a game be a HC raider on haha remember that more then 90% of the player base is casual and you also have roleplayers midcore players that have been left in the dust since endwalker

90% of the playerbase is casual but 20% cleared M4S and savage isn't midcore content.

[NamiRocket]

This wrests entirely on the defense being made in earnest.

That's one way to shut down a dissenting opinion, I guess. Oh, but what if... now hear me out, what if the argument against this expansion is often histrionic, hyperbolic, and extremely selective in its facts?

You'll find that blade cuts both ways. Maybe come up with a better, less lazy way to counter an argument.

[Evergrey]

90% of the playerbase is casual but 20% cleared M4S and savage isn't midcore content.

You're both wrong.
Everyone knows it's the 1%.
/s

[Kaurhz]

im a HC raider (M4s day 2) and my static started FRU yesterday (december vacation) we're nearly on phase 3 with 6 hours raid time

even with me being a hc raider who do all pve content, i've unsubbed for 4 months since DT release, I really dont understand why casuals keep their sub, each casual should sub only 1 month per expansion, but guess what they dont, and to me they really deserve to be treated like that, why bother doing content for casuals when they keep giving money ?

A lot of casuals have different reasons for remaining subbed, as honestly it covers such a gigantic area of the game, from people that enjoy story, to people that enjoy the social element, to people doing content from several expansions ago because the game offered nothing, or just people remaining subbed for connections on this game and housing.

Honestly, no given group of players should be treated in the manner which you're suggesting, it's a good way to turn this game to garbage as it isn't just casuals that benefit from the developers adding casual content in the game. Arguably hardcore players benefit just as much, and if you wanted to treat it on a completely reactional basis, e.g., "Oh don't develop any casual content until x number of casuals are gone" then you would be looking at a game with far far longer patch cycles than what we currently have. If all casual players, even by a generous estimate of 70% were to only sub for 1 month across an entire expansion cycle then this game would actually struggle to push content out without being a lot more aggressive on the Mogstation and potentially delving into more objective P2W elements.

That's one way to shut down a dissenting opinion, I guess. Oh, but what if... now hear me out, what if the argument against this expansion is often histrionic, hyperbolic, and extremely selective in its facts?

You'll find that blade cuts both ways. Maybe come up with a better, less lazy way to counter an argument.

It's not meant as a means as countering any argument, it's just a simple observation that not all defenses on this game are done with sincerity, just how in the exact same vein not all criticisms are done with rationality in mind, and can often be hyperbolic. - Am I really going to have to be that specific with you in future when I am addressing a very specific point on whether you can still be out of touch with the game whilst people are defending it...?

[Lilapop]

im a HC raider ...

i've unsubbed for 4 months since DT release ... each casual should sub only 1 month per expansion ... hey really deserve to be treated like that, why bother doing content for casuals when they keep giving money ?

This reads "well im raider and i sub when i raid, i have content, casuals clearly like the game because they keeping subbing so why give them content so just more raider plz" to answer your original question, casuals stayed subbed for many reasons, their houses, friends, roleplaying, fishing, whatever tomfoolery goes on at venues, MSQ, crafting/gathering, blue mage, triple triad, gold saucer etc. Any combo of any of those, even just one of those is a valid reason for someone to stay subbed if they find joy through it.

[Lilapop]

a "drought" lmao

its the beginning of the expansion......

There is one though. Objectively, which I know you're aware of considering we've discussed it on other threads. Weird reason to come at this person.

[Sunhwapark]

so why is there now a issue that DT is bad? its nothing new.

Probably because people are critiquing more than just the MSQ?
People can say that a particular expansion was good for its story and bad for its battle/player content provided in each expansion, for example.

[Jeeqbit]

90% of the playerbase is casual but 20% cleared M4S and savage isn't midcore content.

When you get that percent as a percentage of people who cleared the normal version, which I think is a good baseline, it's more like 30%. It's also around that much even as a percentage of people who cleared Dawntrail MSQ. The rates in JP climb to around 50%. And Lucky Bancho's stats seem to agree with that too.

And that's just people who got through M4S - it's quite common to just clear 1, 2 or 3 floors.