The issue with Dawntrail and importance of 8.0

[Exmo]

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Hi, not going to respond to all that. I gave you the benefit of the doubt for long enough, even after you started by being rude and aggravating towards me. You spent so long badgering me to debate you, but when I ask you to provide one example from this forum of good critique of DT you totally buckle. Nah, you earned your own treatment. Feel free to act like I cannot respond to your comments here, the truth is I just don't enjoy talking to you, sorry.

Anyway, Dawntrail was great. I really enjoyed how Zoraal Ja's militaristic beliefs intersected with a decreasing sense of humanity in how he related or could not relate to those around him. As he descended further into his own sense of self-grandeur, he shut himself off from a society which thrives instead on harmony. By the end, even his military contained no living soldier but himself. No wonder he struggled with the concept of family. Anyway bye!

[Voidmage]

Hi, not going to respond to all that. I gave you the benefit of the doubt for long enough, even after you started by being rude and aggravating towards me. You spent so long badgering me to debate you, but when I ask you to provide one example from this forum of good critique of DT you totally buckle. Nah, you earned your own treatment. Feel free to act like I cannot respond to your comments here, the truth is I just don't enjoy talking to you, sorry.

Anyway, Dawntrail was great. I really enjoyed how Zoraal Ja's militaristic beliefs intersected with a decreasing sense of humanity in how he related or could not relate to those around him. As he descended further into his own sense of self-grandeur, he shut himself off from a society which thrives instead on harmony. By the end, even his military contained no living soldier but himself. No wonder he struggled with the concept of family. Anyway bye!

There you go https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-full-spoilers for one on this forum. The very first post of OP goes in really good detail.
Other than that I would give you the videos from Preach and Zepla for story and Mr Happys "state of the realm" for status on content delivery.
But I am pretty sure you already know those exist.

DT has mixed reviews across the board with a heavily divided playerbase... more than any expansion before it and even Yoshida himself admitting to it "we expected bad reception".
So while yes you can like DT and find it great that is pretty much not the common opinion.
Here, on Reddit and comments on several boards you will find people saying "I like Wuk Lamat but even i see the problems" or "I like DT but I can understand why other people don't".
Heck even ingame I have seen people making no secret of how little they think of the story "no more Wuk Lamat", "the story was nonsense", etc.

Have fun with the game and all that, truly.
I am happy for everyone who enjoys this expansion.

Note here:
I won't respond to an answer because I only wanted to give the requested examples and frankly there are other persons like Jeeqbit who while having a completely different opinion from me actually are fun to discuss with.
Something I haven't seen with your posts frankly (the steam number one the most). Apologies.

[ViinaS]

There you go https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-full-spoilers for one on this forum. The very first post of OP goes in really good detail.
Other than that I would give you the videos from Preach and Zepla for story and Mr Happys "state of the realm" for status on content delivery.
But I am pretty sure you already know those exist.

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I don't think that'll work. Afterall according to that person the forum are already an "echochamber of negativity". Same with Steam, Reddit and Youtube.
I don't think unless the devs themselves prostrate live on stage and apologise for Dawntrail you'll convince that person that there is any type of issue going on.
At least according to the reactions till now when given sources.

[Exmo]

There you go https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-full-spoilers for one on this forum. The very first post of OP goes in really good detail.
Other than that I would give you the videos from Preach and Zepla for story and Mr Happys "state of the realm" for status on content delivery.
But I am pretty sure you already know those exist.

Hi, I'm glad you think that forum post is good critique. I found some of it to be insightful, including in the 'negative' part of the post. However, too much of it is incurious and dismissive of the text. I like criticism that interprets and explores why something worked or didn't work, and I dislike criticism that reads as venting as it tends to linger in superficiality. Too much of it was the latter to my taste.

I don't mind if you don't respond. You can think of me however you'd like, that's perfectly fine. But consider the attitude from others I've had to deal with here, how easily some people got hostile, and how so many people here seem to view that behavior as acceptable.

[Archeron]

Hi, I'm glad you think that forum post is good critique. I found some of it to be insightful, including in the 'negative' part of the post. However, too much of it is incurious and dismissive of the text. I like criticism that interprets and explores why something worked or didn't work, and I dislike criticism that reads as venting as it tends to linger in superficiality. Too much of it was the latter to my taste.

I don't mind if you don't respond. You can think of me however you'd like, that's perfectly fine. But consider the attitude from others I've had to deal with here, how easily some people got hostile, and how so many people here seem to view that behavior as acceptable.

You claim to be attacked while out right dismissing what everyone else here has been saying for superficial reasons yourself.

[Exmo]

You claim to be attacked [b]while out right dismissing what everyone else here has been saying[b] for superficial reasons yourself.

Not true. I don't engage in discussion with rude people. When people are not rude, I talk with them evenly. The post you're quoting is evidence of that.

Dawntrail was great btw. I gave myself plenty of time to play through it and went through the first half in several weeks, doing side quests as I went along. I can't relate to the claims that it was slow paced, maybe because I took my time to enjoy the story and did other things when I wanted a change of scenery.

[Clockworks]

Not true. I don't engage in discussion with rude people. When people are not rude, I talk with them evenly. The post you're quoting is evidence of that.

Dawntrail was great btw. I gave myself plenty of time to play through it and went through the first half in several weeks, doing side quests as I went along. I can't relate to the claims that it was slow paced, maybe because I took my time to enjoy the story and did other things when I wanted a change of scenery.

"you guys are all wrong dawntrail is great you're all just wrong !!! i liked it its great !!! !!!"

also you

"why is no one being constructive with me ?? why are people so rude ??"

[Exmo]

"you guys are all wrong dawntrail is great you're all just wrong !!! i liked it its great !!! !!!"

also you

"why is no one being constructive with me ?? why are people so rude ??"

I didn't ask anyone to be constructive with me and I didn't ask why are people here so rude. (I already know why.) I've been pointing out how people are being rude and in response people continue to be rude. Which is pretty funny.

Btw your post has the air of that meme "it's too late, I have already depicted you as a feeble victim and myself as the noble chad" which is really entertaining given your ongoing behavior. That said, I don't think it really contributed to the topic of this thread. Please let's get back on topic for the next one.