#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Alice_Rivers]

AST? Not RDM or WAR or PCT?

[Lorika]

AST? Not RDM or WAR or PCT?

RDM?.... Oh you mean my favorite job that is completly forgoten since it was released?
You know, the job that every expansion is only get new (verCool) finisher and some potency buff to not let it fall, DPS Wise, under the Ranged Physical.

Be realiste please.... Healer, Ranged Physical, RDM and SMN are the jobs partially or completly ignored for years now. (except when it come to do a crappy rework)

Only Tanks, Melee DPS, BLM and now Picto matters.

[Azurarok]

RDM?.... Oh you mean my favorite job that is completly forgoten since it was released?
You know, the job that every expansion is only get new (verCool) finisher and some potency buff to not let it fall, DPS Wise, under the Ranger Physical.

It's more a blessing the job hasn't been caught up in their reworks imo. I love how it feels and I don't trust them being able to retain that feel if they try anything too new with it.

[Lorika]

It's more a blessing the job hasn't been caught up in their reworks imo. I love how it feels and I don't trust them being able to retain that feel if they try anything too new with it.

I would like they remember it only for removing the Raise Taxe (and onlye the Taxe, don't remove the raise).... Because, for years now, RDM is only the "insurance" job while the Ilvl is a bit too low to clear safely a Raid.
When it's not the case anymore, the RDM is ditched for a job with a better DPS.

I mean, we go to Melee range for our Burst, we take risk but we are not rewarded for it DPS Wise and, if the boss enter a Melee Downtime, we are stuck with a capped gauge....

[Azurarok]

I would like they remember it only for removing the Raise Taxe (and onlye the Taxe, don't remove the raise).... Because, for years now, RDM is only the "insurance" job while the Ilvl is a bit too low to clear safely a Raid.
When it's not the case anymore, the RDM is ditched for a job with a better DPS.

I mean, we go to Melee range for our Burst, we take risk but we are not rewarded for it DPS Wise and, if the boss enter a Melee Downtime, we are stuck with a capped gauge....

Rez tax is really weird to me. The way I see it, before EW RDM was the easiest caster to play and thus had lower dps, and the utility was there to make up for that. Then EW reworked SMN to be the easiest caster, but they still balanced it like it used to and had it stronger than RDM for the better part of the expac, and rez tax seemed more like an their excuse for their poor balancing.

The current order of BLM > PCT > RDM > SMN in full uptime seems right to me, though RDM probably should be closer to BLM/PCT going by how PCT and BLM are now (SMN kinda belongs down there).

[ForsakenRoe]

I'm glad you get along better than I do with SCH, I see people like Supersnow touting it as being insanely powerful but I've never really experienced that first hand, it might just be my failing - SCH never really clicks with me the way WHM does.

It's no longer as ridiculous as it once was, but SCH is still arguably the strongest healer, due to fights in this game mainly being 'mit checks' rather than 'HPS checks'. Back before SHB nerfed it heavily (kinda deserved), a Crit-Deploy Adlo could singlehandedly mitigate through a mechanic, because the crit half (Catalyze) also got Deployed. Unreliable, but when it happened, you took literally zero damage from things, even in Savage. With Recitation guaranteeing access to a Crit on demand, it had to be nerfed to what it is today. Still, however, a guaranteed-Crit-Adlo-Deploy combo is going to be (300p x 180% x [Crit Mult]), and with the 2.50 BIS for this raid putting our CritMult at 1.588x, that gives a total potency for the shield of 857.52p.

By comparison, a SGE cannot guarantee a crit on their Zoe-E.Prog combo, and so they're either going to get a barrier of (100p x 360% x 1.5 (from Zoe)) for 540p, or that amount multiplied by the CritMult, for 857.52p. Yes, the exact same result, but on SGE the Crit is not guaranteed. As such, while SGE 'can' match SCH on this front (as Zoe-E.Prog and Adlo-Deploy both result in a partywide barrier of 540p), SCH is more 'reliable' in how often it can reach the higher potency of a Crit being involved (as in, it can guarantee it). Additionally, SCH has the oft-forgotten Fey Illumination, and SGE has no equivalent option to use. 10% increase to healing output means 10% stronger barriers, and the 5% magic resist can make or break some mit checks (I've died to a missing Feint on a Magic Raidwide before multiple times), so SCH is simply more versatile in that regard, as using FI on a weaker raidwide allows the SCH to save a bigger CD like Expedient for something stronger later, or it allows the SCH to double-up on certain raidwides (eg if they apply a bleed) for extra safety in early prog

So I uh... was not aware of this until now since I was too new to even think about parses and whatnot back then.

They removed the one reason why healers were still worth having over tanks

Yeh, if you had to choose between 'WHM has to cast Cure2' and 'PLD is in Requiescat, and could cast a boosted Clemency instead of a HolySpirit', back then it was 'more efficient' for the party's overall DPS for the PLD to sac a stack of Req and do the healing, rather than make the WHM drop a Glare. Of course, this had to be changed because the tanks were feeling a bit emasculated, getting outdamaged by a floaty twinkly-lights-and-flowers enthusiast

Rez tax is really weird to me. The way I see it, before EW RDM was the easiest caster to play and thus had lower dps, and the utility was there to make up for that. Then EW reworked SMN to be the easiest caster, but they still balanced it like it used to and had it stronger than RDM for the better part of the expac, and rez tax seemed more like an their excuse for their poor balancing.

The current order of BLM > PCT > RDM > SMN in full uptime seems right to me, though RDM probably should be closer to BLM/PCT going by how PCT and BLM are now (SMN kinda belongs down there).

A friend of mine had a genius idea to solve RDM's issues: AST Sects.

You choose at the start of a fight, if you're Caster RDM or 'Fake Melee RDM' (so, if you're in a party that has 1 Melee, 1 Ranged, 1 PCT (of course) and you're the RDM, you'd play Fake Melee RDM) via a stance toggle. All the button does, is change every 'Ver-' into 'En-', making every builder GCD like VerStone, VerFire, etc, into EnStone, EnFire, which imbue the rapier with elemental energy for a strike, rather than projecting it as a spell. Cast times of Jolt/EnFire/EnStone (the procs) would be instant, but EnAero and EnThunder would remain identical to CasterMode with a long cast time, to keep the same gameplay between styles (via Dualcasting). Not sure if the burst combo should be converted to EnHoly/EnFlare/EnScorch, that's probably fine to leave as is, and Reprise would act as the 'trash ranged GCD you avoid as much as possible', akin to Throwing Dagger, Writhing Snap, Harpe, etc

Lastly, there would be no potency differences between Caster and Melee mode. Every action would be the same potency between the two. Instead, the Melee stance would enable Autoattacks to use the same formula as Melee jobs use, albeit with Intelligence as the primary stat used for the calculations rather than Strength. The additional damage of Autoattacks, would propel RDM up the charts to roughly sit with the rest of the melee (theoretically). I expect the forbidden site would implement something to check if you're a Melee stance RDM or a Caster stance RDM, and have separate categories for each, else trying to get a top run for RDM would force you to be Melee mode

edit: looking at numbers, the autoattacks would need to be roughly 50% as potent as an actual Melee, as looking at a run or two shows that autoattacks make up about 8-10% of a Melee's output, and RDM is only behind the Melee pack by about 4-5% (fight dependent). Stick a 'x 0.3' to 'x 0.5' on the end of the formula and adjust for balance as needed, easily solved

The downside of this idea is that it encroaches on Mystic Knight as a Job Identity, but DRK already did that with Blood Weapon back in HW so eh (plus Enfire/Enstone etc were RDM actions in FF11)

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

A bit tangential on FI talks: some may add that SGE can use their Physis II to buff their follow up shield. But the ‘problem’ with this is the fact that Physis II on its own is already an overkill with their 650p total regen potency, and often time it’s harder to come up with situations where you’ll get to use both the healing receive buff AND the regen—one of them usually gets wasted if they want to buff their E.Prog shield together with Zoe, like SCHs do with Spreadlo+FI.

[…]Yeh, if you had to choose between 'WHM has to cast Cure2' and 'PLD is in Requiescat, and could cast a boosted Clemency instead of a HolySpirit', back then it was 'more efficient' for the party's overall DPS for the PLD to sac a stack of Req and do the healing, rather than make the WHM drop a Glare. Of course, this had to be changed because the tanks were feeling a bit emasculated, getting outdamaged by a floaty twinkly-lights-and-flowers enthusiast[…]

It’ll never not be funny to me knowing that each of WHM’s Glare cast has about the same effective potency as WAR’s Fell Cleave in those times.

[TheDustyOne]

It's more a blessing the job hasn't been caught up in their reworks imo. I love how it feels and I don't trust them being able to retain that feel if they try anything too new with it.

Shhhh, don't let Square know we're still having fun with RDM, they'll take a sledgehammer to it by 7.3 if they suspect enjoyment.

Admittedly, RDM is one of the few jobs I feel that has legitimately improved each expansion. At worst the change to Manafication can be seen as a dumbing down, but you can still potentially overcap if you use it at 82+ mana.