7.1 Dragoon Changes Complaints

[AngelMercury]

There's also quite a disconnect between the animations and gameplay now which I went over in my own DRG breakdown thread. They've moved away from many of the weighty animations that had lots of impact into these very quick (and often anatomically nonsensical) animations while also gutting half the job. So your character is darting around like out of an anime without really doing much of anything gameplay wise. It actually would have made more sense to stick with the slower, more powerful hits if this is the direction they were going.

I saw your post, it was very good and I wholly agree about the animations. As someone who works in a related field I'm kinda shocked some of those poses made it through. I'm sure the animation team is working very hard but a lot of those bits feel quite overlooked. In general it feels like there's a lack of care directed at DRG lately. It's like after freaking out the DRG player base with the word Rework they tossed their hands up and said 'Fine, we just won't try anything then' and now we get these awful decisions.

I mean I guess JP is happy to weave less? But I'd say the same thing to them as I do to folks here on the English forums. Instead of trying to change the few things that make a job different from the others because you don't like how this one job plays maybe it's ok that we have a job that has skills that move you and lots of weaves. If you don't like those things there's 20 other jobs to try that don't do that and probably a few more jobs in the future.

[CidHeiral]

I saw your post, it was very good and I wholly agree about the animations. As someone who works in a related field I'm kinda shocked some of those poses made it through. I'm sure the animation team is working very hard but a lot of those bits feel quite overlooked. In general it feels like there's a lack of care directed at DRG lately. It's like after freaking out the DRG player base with the word Rework they tossed their hands up and said 'Fine, we just won't try anything then' and now we get these awful decisions.

Thank you! If you're a professional animator I'd love to hear you drop your thoughts on those animations in that thread if you ever have the time.

I mean I guess JP is happy to weave less? But I'd say the same thing to them as I do to folks here on the English forums. Instead of trying to change the few things that make a job different from the others because you don't like how this one job plays maybe it's ok that we have a job that has skills that move you and lots of weaves. If you don't like those things there's 20 other jobs to try that don't do that and probably a few more jobs in the future.

I agree 100%.

My least favorite job in this game is Dancer. I'd rather be waterboarded than play that job for a myriad of reasons, but you don't see me in DNC threads listing all the things I would change about it because plenty of people love it the way it is. I just don't play that job. Why SE is so dead set on ruining jobs for the people who love them to try to appeal to people who dislike them is beyond me. It's like every job is in a race to the bottom trying to appeal to the absolute lowest common denominator bottom of the barrel players.

[Schan]

I agree. It would be nice if they stopped catering to the people who don't like the job. By trying to make it appealing they are driving away the people who like the job and stuck with it since the beginning.

[Valence]

That's literally how we got current MCH and SMN.

[HeavenlyArmed]

Honestly continuing to play this I would at this point even just take splitting the potency from Nastrond in half and letting us press it twice. Just give me a little more button pressing, as a treat.

[Schan]

Honestly continuing to play this I would at this point even just take splitting the potency from Nastrond in half and letting us press it twice. Just give me a little more button pressing, as a treat.

Something I noticed with myself as well. We lowered our standards in the face of SEs silence in this, which is... not great.

3 Nastronds back! o/

[AngelMercury]

Something I noticed with myself as well. We lowered our standards in the face of SEs silence in this, which is... not great.

3 Nastronds back! o/

We're all in the bargaining phase of mourning the slow disassembly of our job.

I agree, Give me back my 3 stacks of Nastrond!

[Reldhir]

Take all our nastronds and give us 3 stardivers wuehaheuwhauehauhaheuahuah

[AngelMercury]

Can't double weave a Stardriver so in a way that would be fixing the 'too many weaves' issue...

[HikariKurosawa]

I think the next realistic changes are going to be: either removal of life surge or rework into a pure defensive, and a change of the duration of mirage dive ready so that it is no longer possible to do double mirage dive rotations.

I'd also like to see them change true thrust into raiden thrust 100% of the time. It effectively behaves that way after the opening attack and it would give us our first WWT much sooner. Raiden thrust is a really cool animation, while true thrust is a literal level 1 ARR animation. To me it's not a fun mechanic only having access to raiden thrust and scales mid combo, but to each their own.

Another cool change they could do is make it so that high jump and mirage dive are upgraded to different abilities during LotD, with red animations and higher potencies to match nastrond. Maybe instead of removing double mirage dive they could just bake it into the job in a way that flows naturally. Something like: Using mirage dive during LotD resets the cooldown on high jump and grants access to upgraded high jump and mirage dive. This also ties into the theme of wyrmwind thrust being red and blue, since the first mirage dive would be blue and the second would be red. Kinda like Geirskogul and Nastrond. So our burst sequence oGCDs would be High Jump > Geirskogul > Mirage Dive > High Jump 2.0 > Mirage Dive 2.0 > Nastrond > Stardiver > Starcross > Dragonfire Dive > Rise of the Dragon > Wyrmwind Thrust.

It was necessary to prune the uses of nastrond, and it will likely be necessary to prune the use of life surge in burst going forward. Life surge is a boring ability to begin with, and using nastrond multiple times just makes it feel less impactful.