Job identity, simplification and balance in general

[HikariKurosawa]

That's atrocious design for a medium built on agency and interaction.

Uh?????? Interact with the boss fight primarily. I don't understand this agency and "interaction" argument. That's what you want, not the devs or most of the players. FFXIV has always been about scripted optimized rotations. Always. You want it to play like WoW, so go play WoW. This game is about adhering to a rotation that makes sense and flows naturally. Always has been.

"ACSHUALLY SANDPAPER STREAMLINES THINGS TOO" rofl.

[jonimated]

That's what you want, not the devs or most of the players.

I'm sure you have statistic to back up what you believe most players want?

Why are you acting like anyone who wants a little bit of complexity added back into job design immediately means they want it to be like WoW? There's a chasm of difference between what the community frequently touts as peak FFXIV job design era, and Wow during any era. And the fact that your go-to is WoW when people talk about complexity in FFXIV really says a lot about your knowledge of the game from past expansions and even now.

You're acting like player feedback has never changed anything before, and player backlash has never reverted changes before. Does it happen all the time? Certainly not, but it's non-zero. Scholar has Aetherflow because of player backlash at it's removal. Ninja has a single Raiju stack following Raiton because of player feedback at the beginning of Shadowbringers.

It's completely possible to love a thing, and also push for it to change/improve. The two aren't mutually exclusive and you really need to understand that. Your pretentious "love it or leave it" attitude does nothing, helps no one, and serves no purpose outside of your own inflated sense of misplaced self-righteousness. People wanting a thing to be better =/= disliking the thing.

[Mikey_R]

You're acting like player feedback has never changed anything before, and player backlash has never reverted changes before. Does it happen all the time? Certainly not, but it's non-zero. Scholar has Aetherflow because of player backlash at it's removal.

Scholar never lost Aetherflow, they did lose Energy Drain though, which was quickly given back.

[jonimated]

Scholar never lost Aetherflow, they did lose Energy Drain though, which was quickly given back.

Right that's what it was. My bad.

[Keichi]

Scholar never lost Aetherflow, they did lose Energy Drain though, which was quickly given back.

Better example:
Star cross has reach now.
Ice Paradox came back.