Out of touch? PLL

[Elkanah]

I was kinda expecting some midcore content. Im excited for the chaotic alliance raid (to a point). But if the ffxi alliance raid isnt even XI gear (and it becomes some "inspired" gear like the mh event--which still pisses me off as their copout answer), that wont keep me subbed after the first or second week of november.

[LucienFaust]

Field operations will be the midcore content.

[Daralii]

Field operations will be the midcore content.

Which means midcore players are free to unsub until summer if they don't care about housing demolition.

[OMGJesuis66]

How can you say it is focused on casual content when all endgame patches are savage/extreme/ultimates? There is no casual content with longevity currently in Dawntrail. And not all of us RP and go to venues.

The game is a casual game.
A long-praised thing about this game is how all the content they put from prior expansions is retroactively something that the casual player base finds fun and engaging to do.
To Gold Saucer, to your Island, Society Quests, MSQ, Duty Roulettes, Adventuring Forays, etc.

If I am to be so bold, I would argue your complaint ain't the lack of Casual Content, it is the lack of NEW Casual Content.
Mid-Core and High-End players only truly engage on the most Current content, they have no actual appeal to do past content, for it does not equal a degree of progression and challenge unless you impose a lot of restrictions. And, again, this is part 1 of the LL, with more yet to be announced and they did announce Casual content amid the combat things too.

Plus, any content for Mid-Core / High-End players, is content for the Casual playerbase as long as they feel interested in trying it out.
This is a bridge they need to want to cross, this expansion I got my FC, who never stepped in an Extreme/Savage/Ultimate, or even knew their rotations, and we went to tackle the Extremes of Dawntrail.
We got clear in 2h and it was super-fun and chill, I had never done an Extreme while it was current content either.

Can't really complain there's no content when you don't want to engage with the content. We all know the Space-travel thing will not hold people at all, Deep Dungeon 4 will appeal to a niche, and the new Adventuring Foray will also have complaints about difficulty just like Bozja had, and only visited so people can mindlessly grind IF the Relic progression is tied to it. If it ain't? Oh boy, we all know which content Casual people won't be doing then.

[DynnDiablos]

Basically, from what I am seeing is this game is no longer catering to my playstyle or content desires anymore. Those of us who have zero interest in Extremes, Savages and other midcore/hardcore content are basically told to play old content or kick rocks. From what I am seeing, 7.1 has a few hours of content at most for me, and that's it. I could unsub until next Spring and miss nothing.

At this point, I think it's time for me to just pack it up. The developers want to focus on the playerbase who enjoys higher difficulty. I play this game to relax and have fun, not do content that stresses me out and gives me anxiety.

So, we shall see. But I think my 11 year journey is close to an end and I don't think it will be a simple unsub for me. It will be complete character deletion and account deletion. A door permanently closed.

[Havenchild]

How do you expect the game to improve? Do you think they didn't collect feedback in the 90s for the older games?

As I said, they can get their feedback via surveys to the entire playerbase. Getting feedback directly from the forums, from people that don't consider far reaching consequences to their suggestions, only generally has lead to more negative outcomes. The few times they actually implemented based off negative feedback here, we just got less.

See MSQ content battle nerfs
See class homogenization
See the missing "bozja" in EW.

Then after they change anything, either the same or new complainers go off on the change itself. There is no winning with this playerbase. They would do better and be more original by doing their own thing, the same thing that has brought them to success in the first place.

You can't satisfy a group of people hellbent on nitpicking every part of the game.

[Valence]

Yeah, I'm trying to fit in with the overall antagonistic vibe of the forums. The only thing that's still out of touch are the forums, as per normal.

Forum feedback has never been valued, because it is the minority. Pretty sure with the amount of raid clears this tier, they consider DT engagement a massive success. There is nothing likely needing addressing from a numbers perspective. Not that they EVER would have intended to be like "omg, the forums are complaining, we must address immediately!!!!"

Only terminally online folks on these forums think their toxicity is valid. Ya'll can hold this L, just like that #HeAlErStrIKE!

Must.... crush... the minorities.

Cannot... accept... that... people dislike what I like.

Must... waste time... to tell strangers off for not fitting with the majority. Grrr

[caffe_macchiato]

It's incredible how disingenuous the forums still are thinking their small minority voice will warrant addressing anything in a LL. That echo chamber really failing yall. Stay mad.

Agreed. People don’t realize that this is SQUARE ENIX. Unlike most companies, it doesn’t care about profit. In fact, the company lost 70% of its profit last year and it’s only getting worse this year. These concerns are about making the game “better”, but guess what: it’s SQUARE ENIX. They don’t need to make it better. Why would they? For money? They don’t care. It’s basically a charity at this point. And I don’t know about you, but I don’t hang around the Salvation Army for a good time. Anyone who’s begging for the game to “get better” just doesn’t understand that FFXIV isn’t in the “it gets better” genre.

[Grumblecakes]

The game is a casual game.
A long-praised thing about this game is how all the content they put from prior expansions is retroactively something that the casual player base finds fun and engaging to do.
To Gold Saucer, to your Island, Society Quests, MSQ, Duty Roulettes, Adventuring Forays, etc.

If I am to be so bold, I would argue your complaint ain't the lack of Casual Content, it is the lack of NEW Casual Content.
Mid-Core and High-End players only truly engage on the most Current content, they have no actual appeal to do past content, for it does not equal a degree of progression and challenge unless you impose a lot of restrictions. And, again, this is part 1 of the LL, with more yet to be announced and they did announce Casual content amid the combat things too.

Plus, any content for Mid-Core / High-End players, is content for the Casual playerbase as long as they feel interested in trying it out.
This is a bridge they need to want to cross, this expansion I got my FC, who never stepped in an Extreme/Savage/Ultimate, or even knew their rotations, and we went to tackle the Extremes of Dawntrail.
We got clear in 2h and it was super-fun and chill, I had never done an Extreme while it was current content either.

Can't really complain there's no content when you don't want to engage with the content. We all know the Space-travel thing will not hold people at all, Deep Dungeon 4 will appeal to a niche, and the new Adventuring Foray will also have complaints about difficulty just like Bozja had, and only visited so people can mindlessly grind IF the Relic progression is tied to it. If it ain't? Oh boy, we all know which content Casual people won't be doing then.

Yes my complaint is new content. Since I said that in my post. Your solution is go do old content. I cannot want new content because old exists. You are getting your wish with more savage stuff so the game will finally become ehat you want it to be. The same as every mmo that appeals to raiders at end game and that is it. But its cool I have 10 year old content for me. Your elitist attitude is why people don't like the raiders. You mold the game to what YOU want and everyone else is irrelevent. All your arguments do not address anything in my post since you did not read it and that I said CURRENT content. Don't yoy have to go prog something anyway?

[LucienFaust]

As I said, they can get their feedback via surveys to the entire playerbase. Getting feedback directly from the forums, from people that don't consider far reaching consequences to their suggestions, only generally has lead to more negative outcomes. The few times they actually implemented based off negative feedback here, we just got less.

See MSQ content battle nerfs
See class homogenization
See the missing "bozja" in EW.

Then after they change anything, either the same or new complainers go off on the change itself. There is no winning with this playerbase. They would do better and be more original by doing their own thing, the same thing that has brought them to success in the first place.

You can't satisfy a group of people hellbent on nitpicking every part of the game.

Basically but if course the people that spend their lives here are going to say otherwise. For example the person saying they are going to unsub because they don't cater to their needs.. it's the same fucking content but they just decided to add some new content. For all we know it can be just below extreme level of difficulty.