Out of touch? PLL

[OMGJesuis66]

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It took me two years to convince my FC to try such content.
A lot of people don't have time, and we still found 2 hours to play together on a weekend.
No one is asking for a commitment to prog, no one is saying for you to give your life into something, it is simply about enjoyment.
We did it together, because we wanted to, and much more likely we would do anything together, such as Ocean Fishing.

Your complaints came much from the approach of the player to the video game, and having a degree of friends in a MMO should at the very least be something.
I get it that people may play most of the time solo, but I bet you could even get in this Forum 8 people in a snap of the fingers to play hard content together and build friendships. If it is for the sake of isolationism only, it is kinda odd that people even play an MMO, tbqh. They would find more engaging designs to their needs in individual single-player games.

And you are not wrong, they gave plenty for the combat because in Endwalker people complained a lot that THERE WAS NO COMBAT. There was nothing to do in Endwalker that was slightly engaging, you could pass weeks without ever pressing button 1 on your keyboard with the contents they offered, and that was awful. So, give something for those people to be able to tackle for a while, while in the next patches, they are left to starve a tad as the content that will follow is casual.

Although, tbh. I would argue the new Alliance Raid is casual. The new "Savage" Alliance Raid with Cloud of Darkness, will be Midcore. And the Ultimate High-End.
Hells, Alliance Raid; Society Quests; MSQ; all of this is Casual content. Even now you guys are getting more than the rest that got one fight that they will be engaging in for a couple of weeks. The fact you need to engage in combat does not make a content midcore.

[LittleArrow]

I'm glad to see extreme content added for those that are invested in that every day / long term grind. Those players do need more content to do. However, I do agree there does seem to be a disconnect between PvE players and the devs. The content is too short. Most of the 'PvE content' is content we're going to have to do anyways:

24-man alliance raid - upgraded gear for future patches
MSQ - required for future patch content / exapansion
Trial - this I think is a good one to count as PvE b/c it includes combat and getting groups together
Hildibrand - I also think this is a good one to count b/c it's very story focused and is built upon a larger series

I want something that I can work towards that doesn't make me want to quit due to difficulty but also isn't so short that I complete it within a the first month. I thought Island Sanctuary and Deep Dungeons were a great option, but I also felt the rewards were so lame. As a PvE player, I want to chase glamour, mounts, and furniture. The more customization I can give my character and her world, the more I want to play the game. I'd even be hyped to get back into the game if there were combat glamours to chase after (different graphics for different moves - like Hraesvelgar for the DRG LB instead of Nidhogg, or cherry blossom type tree for Sage's LB).

TL: DR
As a PvE player, I want to chase more customization with fun and lengthy content that isn't soul crushing. Examples: outfits / armor, hairstyles, tattoos, chocobo bardings, mounts, and a new system - job ability glamours (Hraelsvegar instead of Nidhogg for Drg LB, Cherry Blossom Techno tree instead of the one we have for Sage LB as examples).

[Mirikh]

The changes to housing are going to create months of new content for the housing community. An unexpected but very exciting change. What's coming later - the ability to change the size of the interior with gil - is also great, and adds the first real gil sink we've seen in a long while since its going to be expensive. I wish they could add this for apartments also.
I both like and support Trust/Duty Support for dungeons, so the decision to add non-MSQ dungeons to the list is - interesting? That's a *lot* of dungeons. The first will be Halatali, which I kind of regret. Halatali is old and eccentric without being difficult for new players - it comes up a lot on my alts and I like the nostalgia there. Maybe they won't change it too much?

[Derio]

Field operations in 7.25? Again I think the biggest mistake is not capitalizing on field operation content early for casual players to keep people engaged. And if the 24 man savage rewards are bad like criterion last expansion, then you will have a big problem.

[PercibelTheren]

Field operations in 7.25? Again I think the biggest mistake is not capitalizing on field operation content early for casual players to keep people engaged. And if the 24 man savage rewards are bad like criterion last expansion, then you will have a big problem.

This one is baffling to me, honestly. I would assume they would want to push out field operations as soon as possible because it's a massive time sink, especially for people who only play every now and then. I'm not sure why they're holding off until casual players will have lost interest because there's no content for them to do.

[Kes13a]

This one is baffling to me, honestly. I would assume they would want to push out field operations as soon as possible because it's a massive time sink, especially for people who only play every now and then. I'm not sure why they're holding off until casual players will have lost interest because there's no content for them to do.

they have obviously drunk the koolaid that says "hardcore raiders keep games afloat" or "pvprs keep games afloat" take your pick.

they dont even bother making jobs fun any more but. "wait until 8.0" is getting old, and I doubt there will be many left to look forward to that....

[Voidmage]

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I just disagree on the opinion of “just do it and don’t complain” (overexaggerated in this case of me).
Yes it is possible to find those people and yes it is possible to clear but you can have the most relaxed group in existence savage would still be a commitment even those 2 hours on weekend, 8 people must have time or the want to do it, you have to know the fight and it will always be annoying for some with those bullcrap bodychecks.
Others are also just not interested in harder content, others again only play with their spouse and so on.
Doesn’t have anything to do with being unable to find friends in this game.

Don’t misunderstand me I am happy for the raiders.
I am not casual, I tend more into midcore with extremes (because I don’t like savage) but
Endwalker had extremes, savage, ultimates and criterion as content for raiders.
For me the wait is till field content arrives because I am not motivated enough to do an extreme 99 times just because mount drop rates are abysmal.
DT has the same and even more now and no the patches after that will also have extremes and savage, another ultimate, criterion and probably another chaotic raid.
Again I am not against raiders being happy but I personally think that raids seem to be the only thing lately where the effort goes into.

Savage tends more into hardcore in my eyes, midcore would be extremes and field content (like the duels) but that’s different from person to person so whatever.

I don’t think that they only throw a little bone to raiders outside of the massive amount of other content for other players.
Raiders are the group that gets at least the same amount of content regularly and now even more.
The only other thing with the same constant is the MSQ and the normal content.

An MMO isn’t just raiding though but lives also of other things.
Updates to the gold saucer, an honest update to ocean fishing or other content to engage the community In interacting with each other outside of raids.
THATS my problem with it all.

[Jeeqbit]

Savage tends more into hardcore in my eyes, midcore would be extremes and field content (like the duels) but that’s different from person to person so whatever.

What about deep dungeons then?

I'm just annoyed that the different activities and information seem to be scattered over dozens of different Discord servers.

That information is usually available in the game, or from the official manual on the lodestone, or from a competent observation of the game's behaviour. Aside from wikis and youtubers, many journalists now cover this game and its various systems on their websites.

It's just that players are not very good at reading the information available in the game, they are not good at finding the official manuals on the lodestone and they are not good at observing the game the way I would as a veteran player and looking up information online will often just confuse them. Case in point, Active Help explains a lot of things I have to tell new players about on a regular basis.

So yes, a lot of information is on discord servers, but this is just a nice community trying to help people. It's not actually the only way. There is just so much in the game and so much information to consume about it that unless you've played as much I have, you will probably just be confused by it all without something like a discord community for what you're doing.

This one is baffling to me, honestly. I would assume they would want to push out field operations as soon as possible because it's a massive time sink, especially for people who only play every now and then. I'm not sure why they're holding off until casual players will have lost interest because there's no content for them to do.

Because actually developing it takes time. It stands to reason that a large-scale content involves large-scale development.

[ovIm]

Because actually developing it takes time. It stands to reason that a large-scale content involves large-scale development.

No one says that these things do not take development time. But Square Enix is a big company, and if they truly wanted to, they could hire people (or move them from other departments) to make content like that right after expansion launch, and once every patch cycle. People are criticizing that Square does not prioritize development of that kind of content, drip feeding us at a slow pace. This is truly only a project management issue where either resources are misallocated or priorities are misaligned.

[CNitsah]

Because actually developing it takes time. It stands to reason that a large-scale content involves large-scale development.

let's conveniently ignore the fact the complaints about the lack of field operation have been a hot topic for more than 2 years... Which is long enough to plan your development in a way it could be released in 7.1.