Quote Originally Posted by Sylvain View Post
I mean, It can be done in a smart way. The lilly system is a rather effective system to make gcd healing, through lilies, dps neutral/positive. You basically get both.
If anything when there are bosses downtime it allows you get gain gcd usage by throwing lilies while the boss isn’t here (which usually isn’t strictly speaking a throw since there are, usually, damage during those times so…)
SCH ED is a bit more problematic as, although the loss is very tiny, you still have that choice between “healing” vs “tiny teeny bit of dmg”. It a bit like an AST who has to choose between using Earthly Star on CD or to delay it 20-30s to heal an upcoming mechanic… by delaying it too often you end up loosing a star, thus DPS. However, unlike SCH, I feel AST can always find a way to use ES on CD to benefit both from the healing and damage whereas a SCH cannot unless drastically overgearing the fight. (No Indom, SS or Excog and deploy would make for a rather weak healer in a healing intensive scenario)
So far, to me, SCH Is the one being the worst off while at the same time having the biggest avenue for dps optimization… You can’t have both obviously.
DPS neutral is fine, but something that promotes overhealing for damage procs or promotes not healing for damage is bad design. The lilies are already technically not DPS neutral due to buffs and crits but its more than likely to be DPS neutral which means you wont over heal (except between pulls in dungeons.)
For SCH I completely disagree because ED is not superior to the healing tools you can use with aether, EDs strength is that it slowly adds up in damage but its not significant enough to effect the DPS output of SCH completely, if you don't ED once in a fight you'll still do enough damage for the healers damage check easily it just allows you to get uses out of your aethercharges if you don't need them until the next cycle. Compared to something like Assize, ED is 100x less egregious then that, Assize will NEVER be used for its healing every single WHM in savage uses it for damage, if it lines up with a need for healing output, cool thats a bonus but unlike ED which can easily be ignored if you need the Aetherpoint for a heal/mit the damage of Assize is worth more than it as a healing tool. Earthly star also suffers from the same fate, people use it on CD because its damage is worth more than its healing though unlike Assize it has 20 seconds of charge time where it can possible be used to help in healing, compared to ED both of these moves are 100x more problamatic then ED ever will be.