#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Hyperia]

What is keeping me on the sidelines, besides my toddler, is that I want to heal, not dps. I dps because I have no healing to do, this is what they need to address. We don’t want fancy new dps rotations, we want to heal, simple as that.

If healers are struggling in raids at level 100, then that’s on them, it’s ok for healing raids to be a bit harder, so hard that healers or raids wouldn’t dare use healer dps.

I want my one job back, healing!

[Supersnow845]

What is keeping me on the sidelines, besides my toddler, is that I want to heal, not dps. I dps because I have no healing to do, this is what they need to address. We don’t want fancy new dps rotations, we want to heal, simple as that.

If healers are struggling in raids at level 100, then that’s on them, it’s ok for healing raids to be a bit harder, so hard that healers or raids wouldn’t dare use healer dps.

I want my one job back, healing!

So sorry sweetie don’t you know healing is the tanks job now. Your job is…………… /bees knees I guess

[lolnotacat]

What is keeping me on the sidelines, besides my toddler, is that I want to heal, not dps. I dps because I have no healing to do, this is what they need to address. We don’t want fancy new dps rotations, we want to heal, simple as that.

If healers are struggling in raids at level 100, then that’s on them, it’s ok for healing raids to be a bit harder, so hard that healers or raids wouldn’t dare use healer dps.

I want my one job back, healing!

That's what dissapoints me. Healer DPS used to be a bonus to an encounter, not expected. It was there as a reward to the party for not eating mechanics all the time, but it still wasn't endless 11111211111 spam. Now healers are seemingly expected to focus on DPS and just toss out the occasional heal to cover raidwide damage once an encounter is on farm.

[CaptainLagbeard]

What is keeping me on the sidelines, besides my toddler, is that I want to heal, not dps. I dps because I have no healing to do, this is what they need to address. We don’t want fancy new dps rotations, we want to heal, simple as that.

If healers are struggling in raids at level 100, then that’s on them, it’s ok for healing raids to be a bit harder, so hard that healers or raids wouldn’t dare use healer dps.

I want my one job back, healing!

Healing should definitely be a priority for the Healers.

But the DPS part of the class should also exist and be viable for those moments where you don't need to heal and for the solo duties in MSQ as well. And as noted, healer getting to do DPS was generally a reward for the Healer and the rest of the team doing well enough to not require excessive healing at certain parts of fights.


It doesn't necessarily have to be a fancy new DPS rotation, at least not instantly, but the damage output should be brought up to the same level as Tanks at a very minimum.

[Bobby66]

Healing should definitely be a priority for the Healers.

But the DPS part of the class should also exist and be viable for those moments where you don't need to heal and for the solo duties in MSQ as well. And as noted, healer getting to do DPS was generally a reward for the Healer and the rest of the team doing well enough to not require excessive healing at certain parts of fights.


It doesn't necessarily have to be a fancy new DPS rotation, at least not instantly, but the damage output should be brought up to the same level as Tanks at a very minimum.

Giving healers the same damage as tanks on top of readjusting healing requirements sounds like a nightmare to balance. Would also further trivialize older content which is already a concern for some.

What really needs to happen is Tanks first need to have their sustain nerfed by a large degree. Either by directly impacting their cooldowns or having the boss just do more damage like with auto attacks.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Giving healers the same damage as tanks on top of readjusting healing requirements sounds like a nightmare to balance. Would also further trivialize older content which is already a concern for some.

What really needs to happen is Tanks first need to have their sustain nerfed by a large degree. Either by directly impacting their cooldowns or having the boss just do more damage like with auto attacks.

Sure, it could trivialize old content, but it's a problem created by the devs not doing their job as they've adjusted fights to the current non-existent balance. If they had created some form of balance between the different roles, then it wouldn't be an issue.

[Silver-Strider]

Giving healers the same damage as tanks on top of readjusting healing requirements sounds like a nightmare to balance. Would also further trivialize older content which is already a concern for some.

What really needs to happen is Tanks first need to have their sustain nerfed by a large degree. Either by directly impacting their cooldowns or having the boss just do more damage like with auto attacks.

That results in the same level of balancing nightmare because now they have to account for less healer damage in encounters if they increase healing requirements. As for the impact in older content, I say that it's too far gone to be saved at this point. Look at how they never considered that buffing the Lily system skyrocketed WHM's damage in TEA, when they changed lilies to 20s instead of 30s and made Misery DPS neutral. Same with MNK and Masterful Blitz. These were substantial changes to how these jobs performed but content was never adjusted to account for them. The old content can't be saved. Newer ones can.

[Bobby66]

That results in the same level of balancing nightmare because now they have to account for less healer damage in encounters if they increase healing requirements. As for the impact in older content, I say that it's too far gone to be saved at this point. Look at how they never considered that buffing the Lily system skyrocketed WHM's damage in TEA, when they changed lilies to 20s instead of 30s and made Misery DPS neutral. Same with MNK and Masterful Blitz. These were substantial changes to how these jobs performed but content was never adjusted to account for them. The old content can't be saved. Newer ones can.

Your examples do not impact the entire role. If they equalized both tank and healer damage that would be a huge increase in damage across the board. Sure you cannot 100% save older content but making it far more trivial is not the answer either.

I still stand by equailzing the damage is not the answer. Would rather they swap the damage percentages so tanks do what healers do now and healers do what tanks do now.

But increasing the damage of healers without increasing the healing requirements will not change much if anything.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Your examples do not impact the entire role. If they equalized both tank and healer damage that would be a huge increase in damage across the board. Sure you cannot 100% save older content but making it far more trivial is not the answer either.

I still stand by equailzing the damage is not the answer. Would rather they swap the damage percentages so tanks do what healers do now and healers do what tanks do now.

But increasing the damage of healers without increasing the healing requirements will not change much if anything.

It doesn't have to be entirely just buffs to Healers, they can also bring down Tank DPS and have the two meet halfway, but that's even more work.

But "Having jobs be balanced would break the difficulty" is not really a good argument.


So they could just take the loss, drop the difficulty in older and at the moment current content, in order to make future content with properly designed balance between the roles instead of the absolute randomness we have now where some roles are just worse because fuck the players who want to play these roles.

[Bobby66]

It doesn't have to be entirely just buffs to Healers, they can also bring down Tank DPS and have the two meet halfway, but that's even more work.

But "Having jobs be balanced would break the difficulty" is not really a good argument.


So they could just take the loss, drop the difficulty in older and at the moment current content, in order to make future content with properly designed balance between the roles instead of the absolute randomness we have now where some roles are just worse because fuck the players who want to play these roles.

I mean my argument is not that the jobs being balanced would break the difficulty since let us be fair I am willing to bet SE does think overall the jobs are in a good state balance wise especially tank and healers. It is more so that maintaining that level of balance does seem like a nightmare and one I do not see them jumping for joy to do.

Though oddly enough I posed a question on the tank forums if they would be willing to take a damage hit for the sake of balance and for healers. Yeah, that did not go over well. Any nerf to tanks would result in the cult of the bald man to raise up. In short tanks would legit rage and they probably would be listened to over healers and everything would be changed back to the way it was.