#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Connor]

maybe if you get a dream-team for level 100 dungeon resulting in no need to GCD a heal through the entire super quick run. .

And yet somehow that’s literally every dungeon as a healer. I still cannot even get Excogitation to activate on tanks during mass pulls, they simply do not go below 50% lol. The DPS I get do pretty much every mechanic properly and rarely mess up it at all. Hell in my experience the only time someone ever dies, it’s me lol (yes it is humiliating lol). I honestly think I could probably could get away with not even using a single Aetherflow heal if I wanted to (instead I do Protraction shields and pretend to myself I didn’t just waste 300 potency lol). Hell Eos alone could probably do it with just Embrace and some Fey Union ticks. And I’m not even a good healer lol, just a casual

Speed, actual dps output from them, I have no idea about. But in ‘average DF’ I find it extremely rare to have to heal, and for unavoidables we have a large number of dps-neutral completely resource free skills. Maybe it’s just a EU server thing but I rarely ever see these ‘DF parties’ where everyone is taking tons of avoidable damage and I actually have to put thought into what I’m using. Only time I’ve come close to week 1 of the raid, and that was short lived.

I think the fact that even the ‘average DF healer’ is finding healing so unnecessary suggests there’s some truth to what the previous poster said. This system is designed for literally nobody’s enjoyment anymore, except maybe people who would never have enjoyed it to begin with

[sharknado]

And yet somehow that’s literally every dungeon as a healer. I still cannot even get Excogitation to activate on tanks during mass pulls, they simply do not go below 50% lol

From leveling Astro today in Holminster Switch - first run WAR, he sniped most heals he would need, DPS took more damage, few vuln stacks but nothing major. Lots of gravity and a nice run... Second run sprout WAR tank - gets instantly deleted on first pull, gets 4 vuln stacks at first boss, has to be babysit on trash pulls as he barely hits his heals or mits if at all. Dohn Mheg Pala - does first pull, melting like candy, had to spam heal but aside from that it's chill, everyone knows what to do. 4-mentor Switch - hard chill... and 2 casters so the red card is meh :P

Had Tender Valley run when the last boss didn't even started the blob mechanic... or a 4-mentor run in which we even managed to screw up arrows

The problem is that the variety is extremely high and the game "has to" support it. The game assumes that it's "fine" that you are in SHB and don't know how to wall pull with heal and mit as WAR... And in Dawntrail they only added "have a one-shot if you don't know the thing" which isn't much (and it's vastly easier to KO a healer than even a noob tank).

[IDontPetLalas]

From leveling Astro today in Holminster Switch - first run WAR, he sniped most heals he would need, DPS took more damage, few vuln stacks but nothing major. Lots of gravity and a nice run... Second run sprout WAR tank - gets instantly deleted on first pull, gets 4 vuln stacks at first boss, has to be babysit on trash pulls as he barely hits his heals or mits if at all. Dohn Mheg Pala - does first pull, melting like candy, had to spam heal but aside from that it's chill, everyone knows what to do. 4-mentor Switch - hard chill... and 2 casters so the red card is meh :P

Had Tender Valley run when the last boss didn't even started the blob mechanic... or a 4-mentor run in which we even managed to screw up arrows

The problem is that the variety is extremely high and the game "has to" support it. The game assumes that it's "fine" that you are in SHB and don't know how to wall pull with heal and mit as WAR... And in Dawntrail they only added "have a one-shot if you don't know the thing" which isn't much (and it's vastly easier to KO a healer than even a noob tank).

I'm sorry, there's a whole mixture of things here, which I understand is your point - but half of them are for people who are at levels where they either boosted or should know better. For example, you're saying that by level 70 it's *fine* that the games should be designed for someone who wouldn't use their core skills? I would disagree. If they haven't learned, either the game isn't teaching them, or they don't or can't learn, but some jobs (and we're talking about healers) have suffered as a result. Healer design shouldn't be based upon a level 70+ tank that needed to be "babied" because don't know their skills.

[sharknado]

For example, you're saying that by level 70 it's *fine* that the games should be designed for someone who wouldn't use their core skills? I would disagree. If they haven't learned, either the game isn't teaching them, or they don't or can't learn, but some jobs (and we're talking about healers) have suffered as a result. Healer design shouldn't be based upon a level 70+ tank that needed to be "babied" because don't know their skills.

I don't agree but the game does. You don't need your job stone, job quests, proper skill usage to get into higher level instances. You can't even report no-stone, only if they explicitly do something bad like no-tanking or no-healing.

The game isn't teaching much. Sprout will run through absurd amount of dungeons and trials, slowly getting all the core mechanics but like there is no direct feedback, no do-mechanic-or-wipe in leveling content, they can get battle rez, hard carry through experienced tank or healer and so on. And "you don't pay my sub" people And you can't publicly parse or comment about it, logging is through obnoxious third party setups.

Thats the problem current tanks and healers look like they look. From one side they have to hard carry from the other they have to be more noob-proof and if you don't get noobs in group it's broken overpowered and healer can get semi-redundant. They spent Endwalker adding solo trust and fighting for those alleged solo FF players afraid of multiplayer... but they will hit multiplayer content anyways and I didn't saw any rush of some new type of sprouts.

[IDontPetLalas]

I don't agree but the game does. You don't need your job stone, job quests, proper skill usage to get into higher level instances. You can't even report no-stone, only if they explicitly do something bad like no-tanking or no-healing.

The game isn't teaching much. Sprout will run through absurd amount of dungeons and trials, slowly getting all the core mechanics but like there is no direct feedback, no do-mechanic-or-wipe in leveling content, they can get battle rez, hard carry through experienced tank or healer and so on. And "you don't pay my sub" people And you can't publicly parse or comment about it, logging is through obnoxious third party setups.

Thats the problem current tanks and healers look like they look. From one side they have to hard carry from the other they have to be more noob-proof and if you don't get noobs in group it's broken overpowered and healer can get semi-redundant. They spent Endwalker adding solo trust and fighting for those alleged solo FF players afraid of multiplayer... but they will hit multiplayer content anyways and I didn't saw any rush of some new type of sprouts.

OK, but what is point of sying "you don't agree but the game does". What does that really mean? I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm not sure of what your position is, that's all. Nothing you say surprises me, although I would disagree that logging necessitates public comments.

Are you saying "I don't like the approach, but I can deal with it" , or ""I'm kind of frustrated, and one day I'll likely walk away or change jobs"- it's hard to see where you are on a scale of 1-10, let's say where 10 is "I'm out of here, healers needed changes years ago".

[Kacho_Nacho]

*snippity snip*

Are you saying "I don't like the approach, but I can deal with it" , or ""I'm kind of frustrated, and one day I'll likely walk away or change jobs"- it's hard to see where you are on a scale of 1-10, let's say where 10 is "I'm out of here, healers needed changes years ago".

Even though your post was directed as Snarknado, I think you asked a great question. I'll paraphrase it. Where are we on a scale between 1-10 regarding healers? 1 being you don't like the current state of healers but still heal. 10 being you have changed jobs and never healing again.

I'd say I'm a 2. I'm participating in #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE; but, enjoy being healer enough that I'm leveling white mage to heal friends and FC members.

[Shurrikhan]

Where are we on a scale between 1-10 regarding healers? 1 being you don't like the current state of healers but still heal. 10 being you have changed jobs and never healing again.

I'd say I'm a 2.

Maybe a 6? Though I think it's only that high because I'm only playing healer rather casually (mostly just to skip the 1-2 minute wait when queuing on tank instead for Ex roulette, which occurs regardless of AiN being tank) and there's been weirdly a lot of mistakes to help the party recover from in said runs. Granted, the same also raises DRK by an even higher margin, courtesy of TBNing others (from like 7 of "why is DRK still this mess?" to 3 of "well at least TBN is still pretty great" in fed-up-ness on some runs).

Now, if I actually thought my head-canon WHM had any chance of being introduced, it'd probably be ready never to touch a healer again until those reworks come through, but...

[CaptainLagbeard]

Even though your post was directed as Snarknado, I think you asked a great question. I'll paraphrase it. Where are we on a scale between 1-10 regarding healers? 1 being you don't like the current state of healers but still heal. 10 being you have changed jobs and never healing again.

I'd say I'm a 2. I'm participating in #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE; but, enjoy being healer enough that I'm leveling white mage to heal friends and FC members.

I think somewhere in middle, I've enjoyed mostly playing more supporting roles in MMOs... Which is why probably my most played Jobs in FF have been healers and Bard... But Square is doing it's absolute best to annihilate that kind of role from the game by having Healers being what they are and Ranged Phys also kinda getting shafted...

Because I do enjoy Healing I will still occasionally play healer, but it's more becoming for the relatively quick queues at this point as most of it just wishing the dungeon would end faster as I cast Glare for the nth time on a boss.
And for harder content, I did try out Vali EX, a lot of the healing there was just packed into very intense short moments like Ruin Foretold.

[ASkellington]

Where are we on a scale between 1-10 regarding healers? 1 being you don't like the current state of healers but still heal. 10 being you have changed jobs and never healing again.

I am a solid 11.

Not only have I changed jobs and am never healing again until the devs wake up and get a clue main is shelved.

Fix the AST card system for the 4th time in a row, properly this time and not the lazy slop you gave us in DT and I'll come back to AST. The other 3 healers aren't worth my time either.

[Aravell]

Even though your post was directed as Snarknado, I think you asked a great question. I'll paraphrase it. Where are we on a scale between 1-10 regarding healers? 1 being you don't like the current state of healers but still heal. 10 being you have changed jobs and never healing again.

I'd say I'm a 2. I'm participating in #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE; but, enjoy being healer enough that I'm leveling white mage to heal friends and FC members.

I was at 10, I was fully intending to not heal in DT. But they did make some changes to savage where recovery is very possible again, which was something I wanted, so now I'm at an 8. I just heal for savage weeklies then never again for anything else that week.