With Apologies to Sena Bryer

[LianaThorne]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latine

I'm pretty sure everyone is taught in their teen years that Wikipedia isn't a legitimate source due to how it can be edited by anyone.

[FlowerMilk]

Funny that you left out the part that said ''Not everyone has been so quick to adopt the term — it’s received substantial backlash from people of Latin descent in the U.S. In a 2020 survey, the Pew Research Center found that “Latinx” is used by just 3% of Latin Americans in the U.S. Some feel it contorts the Spanish language, while others don’t believe in adopting a term that’s fairly difficult to pronounce in Spanish. ''

Yeah that's why I quoted someone who prefers to use "Latine" instead explain why. Keep reading.

I'm pretty sure everyone is taught in their teen years that Wikipedia isn't a legitimate source due to how it can be edited by anyone.

Okay? There's plenty of sources linked in the Wikipedia page that back up the origin of where Latinx/Latine came from, which is queer activists of Latin American descent.

It's not like it's being forced upon people, it specifically was created as a gender neutral term for queer people of Latin American descent to use for themselves. You don't have to use it. But it genuinely is a term that queer people of Latin American descent and Latin American use for themselves so I don't really know what your argument is with it.

[Tsumdere]

You know that you don't have to undergo the procedure to be trans these days, right?
In terms of Gender Dysphoria, since I used to have it, it went away around the 20's and I ended up gay. In terms of surgery and what not, they don't tell you that your body closes up itself and you have to keep something somewhere to keep that part open. Our bodies don't remold like clay, so any procedure to open or change a part will close up on itself. Medication is used to stabilize the body; everyone does not have the opportunity to have such a healthcare so many Trans people do not get the care they need and then their body starts to reject itself and more health complication happens. In terms of healthcare, that's its own conundrum that I can't talk about, but the populace will not be happy to pay for someone's transition when they are already not happy about SSI payments and the like.

I'm familiar with all of this. I was just using a singular example to elaborate on my point.
A friend of mine saved up for her surgery and it has been a long and painful journey that I have heard much about. She is happy though.

I'm a cis woman and my girlfriend is a trans woman. I can tell you from my own personal experience that men treat us with the exact same amount of misogyny and don't care that I am a cis woman and she is a trans woman, they don't make that distinction when it comes to misogyny. Our struggles with discrimination are really not as different as you'd think.

I'm unsure where this came from. I can only assume people are trying to intentionally paint me in a bad light and whip out things I never said. I never said transwomen don't experience misogyny.
Besides, misogyny comes in many forms and can even negatively affect cismen if they don't neatly fall into boxes people want to put them in (i.e. bullying for being effeminate if you are a man vs bullying for not being effeminate if you are a woman). It affects everyone. It is similar to how racism affects each group differently... because they are different. You should know this.

[LianaThorne]

Yeah that's why I quoted someone who prefers to use "Latine" instead explain why. Keep reading.



Okay? There's plenty of sources linked in the Wikipedia page that back up the origin of where Latinx/Latine came from, which is queer activists of Latin American descent.

It's not like it's being forced upon people, it specifically was created as a gender neutral term for queer people of Latin American descent to use for themselves. You don't have to use it. But it genuinely is a term that queer people of Latin American descent and Latin American use for themselves so I don't really know what your argument is with it.

I mean, you also could have listed those instead of giving a Wikipedia link. I'd be more inclined to look into it then but instead it's on me to dig for what you want me to know. I don't think it's typically the person listening to your presentations responsibility to do the research for the presenter.

[BigBoom550]

I mean, you also could have listed those instead of giving a Wikipedia link. I'd be more inclined to look into it then but instead it's on me to dig for what you want me to know.

Yeah, that'd require verifying what those sources contain, if the sources are still available and not behind paywalls, if they even say what the source links claim...

I've done the wikipedia dig. Trust me, anything *remotely* connected to the social sciences is at best a narrative, at worst outright lies. Technical/mathematical stuff is usually good, raw historical content is hit-and-miss, but social stuff? Yeah no, I've seen the outright lies there.

Wikipedia and Teen Vogue as sources. C'mon, there's gotta be something better than that...

*Checks wikipedia*

Citation that it's not in common usage, cool. Loops back to the Teen Vogue one that references that same Pew research the Wikipedia article links to, and a number of unrelated topics that are already focused on a preordained conclusion rather than summrizing the facts. Neat.

I'm glad to see that Sena's defense is upheld by sterling scholars. She is truly one of the people of all time. I hope some day to insult people as frequently and openly as she does, and have such ardent defenders.

[FlowerMilk]

I'm unsure where this came from. I can only assume people are trying to intentionally paint me in a bad light and whip out things I never said. I never said transwomen don't experience misogyny.
Besides, misogyny comes in many forms and can even negatively affect cismen if they don't neatly fall into boxes people want to put them in (i.e. bullying for being effeminate if you are a man vs bullying for not being effeminate if you are a woman). It affects everyone. It is similar to how racism affects each group differently... because they are different. You should know this.

Nah, it's because you said trans women and cis women have different struggles. And I'm just telling you firsthand from my own personal experience, it's actually not as different as you'd think. Especially because misogyny ultimately comes from the same root cause: the patriarchy. So at the end of the day, the reasons for men being misogynistic to me and my girlfriend are exactly the same: we are not what women *should* be like under a patriarchal society. The way we are treated and how we are made to feel is ultimately the same, even if we have our own unique experiences. Thus, we can very easily empathize with each other when it comes to these kinds of situations in that regard.

I mean, you also could have listed those instead of giving a Wikipedia link. I'd be more inclined to look into it then but instead it's on me to dig for what you want me to know. I don't think it's typically the person listening to your presentations responsibility to do the research for the presenter.

Unfortunately these forums have a limited number of words you can post so all I could do was just link the Wikipedia page for you to do that on your own. And the article I quoted was one of the Wikipedia sources.

[LianaThorne]

Nah, it's because you said trans women and cis women have different struggles. And I'm just telling you firsthand from my own personal experience, it's actually not as different as you'd think. Especially because misogyny ultimately comes from the same root cause: the patriarchy. So at the end of the day, the reasons for men being misogynistic to me and my girlfriend are exactly the same: we are not what women *should* be like under a patriarchal society. The way we are treated and how we are made to feel is ultimately the same, even if we have our own unique experiences. Thus, we can very easily empathize with each other when it comes to these kinds of situations in that regard.



Unfortunately these forums have a limited number of words you can post so all I could do was just link the Wikipedia page for you to do that on your own.

You can edit your post afterwards to include more words after hitting the limit, just a PSA.

[Dorito_Burrito]

Maybe if Grummz makes enough noise they'll put his famous space bus in the online store as a mount.

[Tsumdere]

Nah, it's because you said trans women and cis women have different struggles. And I'm just telling you firsthand from my own personal experience, it's actually not as different as you'd think. Especially because misogyny ultimately comes from the same root cause: the patriarchy. So at the end of the day, the reasons for men being misogynistic to me and my girlfriend are exactly the same: we are not what women *should* be like under a patriarchal society. The way we are treated and how we are made to feel is ultimately the same, even if we have our own unique experiences. Thus, we can very easily empathize with each other when it comes to these kinds of situations in that regard.

Okay, so you are being so disingenuous. You understood what I meant the first time and are just being pedantic. We do have unique struggles (as you have just said yourself) and I never said all of our struggles are completely separate because that is asinine. And that is a very broad and reductive definition of misogyny used to erase the uniqueness of each group. There are many facets of it that each group simply cannot experience in any way, shape, or form unless God comes down, reverses time, and has them born as the opposite sex.

Moreover, empathizing is not the same as experiencing so nothing you have said changes what I said. Good job.

[FlowerMilk]

The fact that per capita domestic violence in the US is highest amongst Lesbian couples?

This is actually a myth. Here is a video where a guy explores the study you're citing in depth, including the part where 97.1% of female victims of rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner had only male perpetrators.

Okay, so you are being so disingenuous. You understood what I meant the first time and are just being pedantic. We do have unique struggles (as you have just said yourself) and I never said all of our struggles are completely separate because that is asinine. And that is a very broad and reductive definition of misogyny used to erase the uniqueness of each group. There are many facets of it that each group simply cannot experience in any way, shape, or form unless God comes down, reverses time, and has them born as the opposite sex.

Moreover, empathizing is not the same as experiencing so nothing you have said changes what I said. Good job.

I'm not trying to argue with you or say you're a bigot or whatever is making you get so hostile in response. I am only telling you about my own personal experience with what you are talking about. If you wanna get offended over me saying that cis women and trans women can empathize with each other over our own experiences with misogyny then I guess that's just, like, your opinion man. I personally think that is a good thing, but okay.