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    Quote Originally Posted by Squig View Post
    If you were talking about your mom, you'd probably refer to her as "her," not "them."
    When I talk about my mom I don't refer to her as "her" or "them"... I have much stronger words to refer to my mom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infindox View Post
    This right here is why I find it almost impossible to talk about this subject.
    I say I don't like how she's acting and get lumped into a group of people I want nothing to do with, when all I want is for something to be said/done about it.
    I've been beaten to this but yeah, it's basically a way to stop criticism.

    Note they never really show proof that she's a good person, or try to show she's done a good job at voice acting in other instances, it's always "well, you're just a transphobe".

    If anything, it shows how little is there to defend about her, which if I was in their position, would make me rethink my position but, alas, self awareness seems to be running low among the people with such weak arguments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squig View Post
    If you were talking about your mom, you'd probably refer to her as "her," not "them."
    You keep moving those goalposts. Just keep shoving them ever so slightly back. First it was anyone. Now it's specifically your mom, pretending like people don't do either. Worst part is, you've managed to derail this entire conversation with your stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isala View Post
    You keep moving those goalposts. Just keep shoving them ever so slightly back. First it was anyone. Now it's specifically your mom, pretending like people don't do either. Worst part is, you've managed to derail this entire conversation with your stupidity.
    Derailment is the point.

    It's already been established that everyone is transphobic, who cares, let's get back to canceling Sena now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Derailment is the point.

    It's already been established that everyone is transphobic, who cares, let's get back to canceling Sena now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BakoolJaJa View Post
    Yeah, the "they" argument isn't very good, though I also agree with the rest of the points. I feel like there are two camps of people, those who really dislike using the pronoun "they" for singular persons and then those who are completely fine with it. The first group refuses to use the word in even those situations where it should be used, for example when the gender of a person is unknown, or with non-binary people, etc. The second group freely uses the word whenever.

    It's a nice pronoun. I'm not a native speaker, but I find it neat, it helps avoid unpleasant mistakes and confusion. It helps to not misgender as well. Or at least it used to. Is it wrong to use now? I thought it's an ambiguous, genderless word. Sort of how "dude" is also okay to use for everyone.
    You gotta watch with "dude" now too, unfortunately. I follow the immortal words of Ed from Good Burger that "we're all dudes" but I've had some people get mad for using the term.
    The usage of the singular "they" also has people like that towards it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniise View Post
    If you want to refer to me (a person who has been critical of Sena Bryers voice acting skills as well as her unhinged behavior on twitter) as a transphobe or whatever label you chose so bad, then please, feel free to do so. If you feel better afterwards, so be it. This word is so devoid of any meaning by now, that I literally couldn't care less. I actually don't think anybody here does.

    Because it doesn't change the facts, and those are:

    -her voice acting as Wuk Lamat still was terrible
    -she is NOT a good person
    -she apparently hates (cis)women and is very misogynistic
    -she is trying to start a twitter war with her dumb tweets, calling people racist about a song
    -she is a liability to SE right now with her weird behavior
    This right here is why I find it almost impossible to talk about this subject.
    I say I don't like how she's acting and get lumped into a group of people I want nothing to do with, when all I want is for something to be said/done about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infindox View Post
    This right here is why I find it almost impossible to talk about this subject.
    I say I don't like how she's acting and get lumped into a group of people I want nothing to do with, when all I want is for something to be said/done about it.
    I can understand that. I used to think so too and shut my mouth out of fear to be seen in a bad light by others. But that's just what people like Squig want.
    They want to kill any form of debate culture and shut out unwanted opinions by threatening people like this. To label them as something they aren't.
    But as long as I myself know what I am and what I'm not...this shouldn't scare me anymore. I'm done bowing my head to those kinds of people and keeping quiet. I'm not giving those empty labels power.
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    Me too, Erenville, me too

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    Gotta keep reminding myself not to engage. It's not worth it. Been through this with at least 3 other people in this thread alone that refuse to listen and insist on slapping labels on people while relying on horrendously faulty logic.

    Do. Not. Engage.
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    Howdy o/

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    Why do I suddenly feel my age....since when are people so easily offended by anything ? In my time, we had no internet, hell even a tv was a luxury most could not afford. -yes, I am that old- And now with the coming of internet and social media, people get offended over lliterally nothing...I am too old for this shit.
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    Don't look back, that's not the way you're going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antharaes View Post
    Why do I suddenly feel my age....since when are people so easily offended by anything ? In my time, we had no internet, hell even a tv was a luxury most could not afford. -yes, I am that old- And now with the coming of internet and social media, people get offended over lliterally nothing...I am too old for this shit.
    I real question is can you clear current content without a healer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Okay boomer.

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