Rphys: why slow walk casts (ala pvp) aren't a solution

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It’s supposed to demonstrate how silly it is to say ‘people who have a differing opinion me aren’t real [job] players’. I mean, can’t we literally apply the same logic in reverse? ‘If you don’t think Bards can use magic or have cast times you’re not a real Bard!’

I guess my confusion comes from the question of where I even said something remotely close to this?

I don’t need to ‘hide behind’ the job guide, I’ll hide behind how they designed the job in the past thank you very much.

And I mean, you’re telling someone who left phys ranged specifically after Stormblood, how bad it was after Stormblood. Uh, yeah, I was there lol. I’m pretty sure I’ve mentioned many times I’m literally not a Bard main anymore because of how they butchered the job. Yet somehow I’m neglecting to think about…myself???

Why would you be neglecting to think about yourself? Where is this coming from now? I feel like we're talking about different things, completely past each other and not reading or comprehending what we are both writing at this point, because I'm actually extremely confused reading every one of your lines by now...

Additionally, you keep mentioning Machinist, but all the previous posts have been about Bard? I don’t think any of what we said applies to Machinists anyway so why would they be relevant to it? Nobody is saying ‘make every ranged a homogenised pseudo-caster’. I wouldn’t mind if Machinist got literally none.

I mean, I rarely play Machinist, so why would I start trying to make up ‘solves’ for them? And I’m pretty sure the only Dancer was mentioned was about how it had melee components to certain attacks. So it’s hardly back-pedalling to say ‘we were only/mostly talking about Bard’

I mentioned MCH as an analogy into a school case scenario of what not to do to alienate the people that enjoyed it before a huge rework changing it into something else entirely. You can effortlessly replace it by SMN, which suffered the exact same fate, or even HW rphys. Bringing back serious cast times on rphys ala HW would be doing exactly that, no matter the rphys job. If your point was trying to claim precedence on BRD having had cast times on cross class crap in ARR, then fair enough I guess? Were they a huge chunk of the job uptime?

As for the part about melee I’m not sure what difference that makes. Personally I wouldn’t really be bothered if there was a melee without positionals. Would be a hell of a nightmare for balancing, but if they somehow made it work why would that matter? Nobody cares about the caster with practically no cast times after all, if anything people are thankful there’s an ‘easy caster’ option (terrible gameplay aside)

People actually tend to care a great deal about the caster that's not a caster anymore actually. Unless we're not reading the same forums.

Lastly in regards to alienating players, how is it fair that players who enjoyed previous iterations totally deserve to be completely alienated by current phys ranged, yet it’s absolutely unacceptable that there might be a chance of alienating current players? (Though I don’t particularly see how unless again they literally just copy+pasted cast times onto all weaponskills on all jobs like it’s HW. 2.0)

Current rphys retains most of the properties it has always had since ARR, even if a lot of things have been watered down or outright lost (in the case of MCH... most of it sadly). HW was an anomaly that most people hated. May I ask what you disliked about BRD after Stormblood that you found alienating enough to feel betrayed, because as far as I remember, ShB BRD is pretty much the same platform beyond the minor expansion changes jobs tend to have.

On copy pasting HW cast times into all weaponskills, it is literally what people have been suggesting with pvp walked 1.5s cast times. And if that's not what you personally have been suggesting, then I feel like all of this has been a storm in a kettle since I've said already that I don't consider SAM/SMN occasional casts to make a role a caster role. Since I feel like people are consciously ignoring what I've been writing after that many pages, I'll reiterate that I'm fine with them, especially if they serve a purpose of making specific big hits feel that they have more weight/omph.

So essentially you only care about your own opinion and no one elses.
I don't care about walking pvp casts being a part of phys range thats it, I don't have a strong enough opinion on them that they should be in the role or not. This is literally it I liked HW bard, I didn't like HW machinst some people have the reverse opinion why should I care if other people hated the HW casts? The main reason I don't play bard anymore is completely different from casts I just hate the song rotation, as for Machinist I enjoy it as it is but wished it did more damage and had better aoe. If bard got a song that gave it cast times I wouldn't hate that but if the songs remained the same system id hate that. We have different priorities I don't view having no cast times as core to phys ranges identity instead I view them as the DPS support role, I think you are working yourself up over a subjective opinion.

The point being made is:
- Other MMOs can be a source of inspiration, but it doesn't automatically implies that a role has to follow the same quirks, especially when it has not in XIV. Caring or not about what other MMOs do doesn't equate to caring about people's opinions, else I wouldn't be taking time to write there and reply to people?
- Trying to assign to the role what defines other roles is creatively bankrupt
- Whether you feel that the absence of cast times are an important part or defining part of the role or not, I'm saying a lot of people do, and therefore asking them to give up on it is not taking their opinion into consideration actually. People trying to assign cast times are the ones trying to change the role in significant ways, significance which I have exposed in the OP, and that you don't see them as significant or not, some other people actually do and care. Don't go about saying we don't care about other people's opinions, because by the looks of it, it looks like the exact opposite to me.