Rphys: why slow walk casts (ala pvp) aren't a solution

[Connor]

I am actually having a really hard time even understanding where this analogy comes from and what it is supposed to demonstrate?

I can reiterate again, that my point is all about people that want to change a role so radically that it becomes something else entirely. SE has done this too with various jobs and alienated all their enjoyers in the process. Again, if you don't enjoy what the role has always been so far (HW excepted, granted but most players hated it), why are you even playing/maining it? Why do you think a lot of old MCH mains feel really shitty about the rework in SHB? Because that's exactly what you're trying to accomplish here.

You can go back and hide behind what the jobguide website says, it's far from telling the whole story of the role. And again, ARR BRD has never been a caster, it's not because you had one cast here that it made it suddenly a caster DPS, no more than it makes current SMN or SAM a caster DPS.

It’s supposed to demonstrate how silly it is to say ‘people who have a differing opinion me aren’t real [job] players’. I mean, can’t we literally apply the same logic in reverse? ‘If you don’t think Bards can use magic or have cast times you’re not a real Bard!’

ARR Bard had 3 casts, actually , not one! And I literally never said once it was an actual caster dps lol. I said it straddled the line between the two. Like how Ninja is a cross-section between a melee and a mage with Ninjutsu magic shenanigans.

I don’t need to ‘hide behind’ the job guide, I’ll hide behind how they designed the job in the past thank you very much.

And I mean, you’re telling someone who left phys ranged specifically after Stormblood, how bad it was after Stormblood. Uh, yeah, I was there lol. I’m pretty sure I’ve mentioned many times I’m literally not a Bard main anymore because of how they butchered the job. Yet somehow I’m neglecting to think about…myself???

Additionally, you keep mentioning Machinist, but all the previous posts have been about Bard? I don’t think any of what we said applies to Machinists anyway so why would they be relevant to it? Nobody is saying ‘make every ranged a homogenised pseudo-caster’. I wouldn’t mind if Machinist got literally none.

I mean, I rarely play Machinist, so why would I start trying to make up ‘solves’ for them? And I’m pretty sure the only Dancer was mentioned was about how it had melee components to certain attacks. So it’s hardly back-pedalling to say ‘we were only/mostly talking about Bard’

As for the part about melee I’m not sure what difference that makes. Personally I wouldn’t really be bothered if there was a melee without positionals. Would be a hell of a nightmare for balancing, but if they somehow made it work why would that matter? Nobody cares about the caster with practically no cast times after all, if anything people are thankful there’s an ‘easy caster’ option (terrible gameplay aside)

Lastly in regards to alienating players, how is it fair that players who enjoyed previous iterations totally deserve to be completely alienated by current phys ranged, yet it’s absolutely unacceptable that there might be a chance of alienating current players? (Though I don’t particularly see how unless again they literally just copy+pasted cast times onto all weaponskills on all jobs like it’s HW. 2.0)