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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    Considering how poorly the healers are balanced currently (SCH+AST supremacy, WHM crying in corner, SGE idk exists I guess)
    AST I can understand, but in what term SCH is a supremacy. I don't play SCH, and I can say with absolutely certain I hate when my co-healer is a SCH. They pump out so little heal that I always have to over compensate, never have problem with any of the other 3 healers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    but in what term SCH is a supremacy. I don't play SCH, and I can say with absolutely certain I hate when my co-healer is a SCH. They pump out so little heal that I always have to over compensate, never have problem with any of the other 3 healers.
    I can sum Scholar supremacy up with a single ability lol: Chain Stratagem .

    As for Scholar having ‘little heals’ that doesn’t sound right to me at all. Emergency Tactics alone can have you pumping out high potency Aoe heals, add Indomitability if things get super spicy. Recitation + Emergency Tactics does absolutely hilarious healing amounts, literally over 100,000HP in a single heal if you do Recitation + Emergency + Adloquium, maybe Protraction depending on Ilvl. Then with Seraphism you can repeatedly spam meme-powered Emergency Tactics - Accession and basically power heal through anything.

    And that’s just the pure heals lol. Throw Deployment, Seraph, Fey Illumation, Sacred Soil into mix? You have yourself a king healer lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    I can sum Scholar supremacy up with a single ability lol: Chain Stratagem .

    As for Scholar having ‘little heals’ that doesn’t sound right to me at all. Emergency Tactics alone can have you pumping out high potency Aoe heals, add Indomitability if things get super spicy. Recitation + Emergency Tactics does absolutely hilarious healing amounts, literally over 100,000HP in a single heal if you do Recitation + Emergency + Adloquium, maybe Protraction depending on Ilvl. Then with Seraphism you can repeatedly spam meme-powered Emergency Tactics - Accession and basically power heal through anything.

    And that’s just the pure heals lol. Throw Deployment, Seraph, Fey Illumation, Sacred Soil into mix? You have yourself a king healer lol


    I don't know how good SCH's healing "potential" is, but all I know in reality is that whenever I heal with SCH, I have to compensate or someone gonna die, even the tanks.

    Like I said, I don't play SCH, and I give zero care about DPS potential on healer. The reason I agree with AST not because of their DPS ultility, but the actual healing they do in raid make my jaw dropped.

    I only judge a healing class solely based on how comfy they can keep the raid up, and whether I feel like we're both doing fair share of responsibility or I'm compensating hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    I can sum Scholar supremacy up with a single ability lol: Chain Stratagem .

    As for Scholar having ‘little heals’ that doesn’t sound right to me at all. Emergency Tactics alone can have you pumping out high potency Aoe heals, add Indomitability if things get super spicy. Recitation + Emergency Tactics does absolutely hilarious healing amounts, literally over 100,000HP in a single heal if you do Recitation + Emergency + Adloquium, maybe Protraction depending on Ilvl. Then with Seraphism you can repeatedly spam meme-powered Emergency Tactics - Accession and basically power heal through anything.

    And that’s just the pure heals lol. Throw Deployment, Seraph, Fey Illumation, Sacred Soil into mix? You have yourself a king healer lol
    Hmmm i'm under the impression that is missing Recitation + Excog here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    I don't know how good SCH's healing "potential" is, but all I know in reality is that whenever I heal with SCH, I have to compensate or someone gonna die, even the tanks.
    That’s because Scholar is much more convoluted to heal with than White Mage or Sage in a similar way to Astrologian. I.E you don’t just do Adloquium to heal someone you do Lustrate or Emergency Tactics - Adloquium, Excogitation only takes effect at 50% HP, fairy abilities are support healing and not literally meant to replace yours, mitigating damage with Sacred Soil, etc etc.

    Hence, people play it and tend to misunderstand how healing on the job actually works, making it seem much weaker than it is. Basically to get the most out of Scholar’s healing you need to be tactical and proactively planning at all times. But then, doesn’t that kind of apply to any healer? A White Mage fishing for Freecure doesn’t indicate that White Mage is weak, for example. It just indicates they’ve misunderstood something about the job/game system

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    Hmmm i'm under the impression that is missing Recitation + Excog here.
    That too of course lol, but Recitation and Excogitation / Indomitability do tend to be the buttons Scholars hit most reliably. And while ofc there’s the ‘dps opportunity’ cost but I’m putting that to one side for the moment and referencing the lesser-used ‘big heals’. I also didn’t mention Whispering Dawn which is useful for recovering during long periods of no damage over using any of those heals and throw everything into DPS. Or Dissipation for that matter. It’s also worth mentioning that technically (I think), Recitation + Emergency Tactics and Adloquium is actually stronger than Excogitation in regard to healing potency because of the crit inflation on the catalysed shield
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    Last edited by Connor; 08-07-2024 at 09:20 AM.

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    Who knows if they even have new healer jobs planned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    But then, doesn’t that kind of apply to any healer?
    No, but cause I don't see the same issues on any other healer. Like I said, there is always a gap between theory craft and practical situation.

    WHM's healing output is extreme consistence, even if they're lazy about it.

    SGE's have a very well tune kit that allow maximizing healing up time easily.

    AST can pump out ridiculous amount of heal with zero care in the world.


    Even if all the things you talk about SCH's healing potential is true, that would still make it a bad healer in my book if the job has to play 2 times as hard just to get a roughly similar result.

    After all, the whole "working twice as hard just for a meager return" is why they had to redesign AST.
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    It'd be fun if their rez animation was them giving CPR to a downed player.
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    Could it? I am sure. Is it beyond the capabilities of job designers? Well, if it's not a heal or a shield, yes.
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    A good 90% of healers are already in melee range whenever there's a spread mechanic so I don't see why not.
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