Tanks holding fights hostage in Roulettes

[Turtledeluxe]

Work away, don't be upset when people start getting kicked because they can't do basic mechanics they should have learned over 50 levels ago. More people need kicked from instances. It's no longer acceptable.

If it's not your first time and you are constantly dying to the easiest of mechanics that have been drilled into you then why should the rest of the party have to put up with it? It's getting beyond a joke now watching players die to the most basic of attacks then rush to the forums to complain that the content is too hard.

All roles need more self sustain so they are no longer at the mercy of people that can't do the most basic of tasks. Healers should be there to supplement the healing and damage, not to be the sole source of it.

Oh be quiet. You know very well not nearly every instance of death is due to unwillingness to learn. You know very well when expansions are new. Stop painting it like millions of players die due to simple unwillingness to learn mechanics-- that's just not true. And if someone struggles with mechanics their first few instances of any given encounter that's totally normal. You deciding on your easy mode job to paint everyone with a broad brush is the problem. Ruining every job with raise or healing because you can't control yourself is never gonna happen.

SE needs to implement a solution asap. Some of you have shown gross levels of disregard and indignance with your posts that proves you are counter to the long term health of the game.

And I can't emphasize enough, they are literally never going to redo all jobs over a tiny % of harassment tanks. Please just fix it with a vote or enrage and be done with it, SE.

[Ellona_Andrivari]

The entire premise of this complaint is that if they were a better healer they wouldn't be in that situation to begin with hth. No current normal trial or duty requires two healers, that's been their whole point right? So why is it suddenly the tanks fault the healers can't actually do their job?

[Karious]

The amount of hate and vitriol against tanks will never not be funny to me.

[Oizen]

The amount of hate and vitriol against tanks will never not be funny to me.

"how dare u be alive, stop playing the game"

[angienessyo]

I mean, really the only way around this is enrages in normal content. They're not going to take away tank sustain anytime soon.

[gllt]

Agreed, which is why it's so disappointing to see people unwilling to put in the effort to play at level 100, and then cry when someone has enough of it, and just does it for them. This is a team game, put in the effort.

Here I'll help you understand my viewpoint better.

If you're dealing with someone unwilling to learn or play the game properly, I have no objections to you objecting to that. Do whatever you think is the best course of action at that point.

But we might define what that is slightly differently and have different opinions about what a player should be expected to do.

I think players should be good enough not to die in most normal content in 14, especially by later levels, but it should never be anything more than most until they've seen it a bit.

If the already easy content is so easy that you can clear it strictly based on prior game knowledge, no matter what kind of player you are, or what situation you're in, on first try every time you queue in, then that's embarrassing game design. The newest content in an expansion should filter everyone on their first playthroughs a bit even on normal, especially considering what the skill level of an average player is, whether we like it what that level of skill is or not.

My argument is that for the good faith average skill level players, it's your job to babysit them to a reasonable extent no matter what role you play, but especially tank and healer, in order to bring that skill level up. They are also expected to do things like hit training dummies, queue in while not sleep deprived, etc that's what I mean by good faith.

I do NOT expect them to go look at a dungeon guide. They are entitled to a first time experience without watching a mechanics guide. Maybe if you help them and it still doesn't work out, then sure. Community resources are great. They make up for Square's failures to help teach the players the game to get them to the skill level you're expecting them to have. I just think your attitude is failing them too!

[TaleraRistain]

Edit: Before you say something like the community should be willing to take the time to help others learn and improve. That is not the role of the community, community members can agree to do so, but not everyone has to agree to such standards. At face value all that happened was a pair of tanks just played out the fight. We going to really tell players it is not okay to try because x amount of people are dead or it would be quicker to reset it? Asking people to give just give up just does not sit well with others and some wish to see something to the end. Is this really wrong?

It is because the needs of the entire team need to be considered and not just the desires of one or two people. If someone is new, they most likely need the practice to learn how to not die on the mechanics. Tanks that do this are denying them that ability. If there are a lot of wipes and the tank doesn't want to help instruct or be there supporting them figuring it out (which they're not required to do) then they can take a penalty and let the party get in a tank who will be what the party needs. If a tank wants to see something through to the end when they are alone, that is one thing. But in a team situation then the team as a whole needs to be considered.

[Isala]

It is because the needs of the entire team need to be considered and not just the desires of one or two people. If someone is new, they most likely need the practice to learn how to not die on the mechanics. Tanks that do this are denying them that ability. If there are a lot of wipes and the tank doesn't want to help instruct or be there supporting them figuring it out (which they're not required to do) then they can take a penalty and let the party get in a tank who will be what the party needs. If a tank wants to see something through to the end when they are alone, that is one thing. But in a team situation then the team as a whole needs to be considered.

The only thing the group "needs" is to clear. The tanks are doing just that.

[Bobby66]

It is because the needs of the entire team need to be considered and not just the desires of one or two people. If someone is new, they most likely need the practice to learn how to not die on the mechanics. Tanks that do this are denying them that ability. If there are a lot of wipes and the tank doesn't want to help instruct or be there supporting them figuring it out (which they're not required to do) then they can take a penalty and let the party get in a tank who will be what the party needs. If a tank wants to see something through to the end when they are alone, that is one thing. But in a team situation then the team as a whole needs to be considered.

Isn't technically the objective when you queue for something is to clear the fight? Unless you are joining a learning party or something. The tanks completed the objective.

I want to see a vote wipe option being implemented just to piss the crybaby egofueled tanks off.

I mean that is one solution, personally I rather see progressively stricter enrage mechanics as the expansion goes on.

[MalakRevan]

They're not going to take away tank sustain anytime soon.

Yeah because they're too busy nerfing dps sustain lmao.